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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:24 am 
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Yes, thanks for that insight SOT. Very much appreciated.
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As I was leaving the job, I noticed a new breed of officer - sorry, manager. They seem to have a common cowardly ideology: "If I don't make a decision I wont make a mistake, and if I don't make a mistake, I'll keep my job". This is the future of our 999 services, but don't blame those at the coalface, blame their leaders
That modern management style isn't restricted to the public sector, such as the emergency services; it has contaminated the private sector too. Just as Common Purpose courses are not restricted to the public sector; they are equally as effective in both public and private sectors at undermining all that we once considered to be normal custom and practice. Common sense has been replaced with Common Purpose. And that Common Purpose is ONLY common to those behind-the-scenes elitists who are working to their uncommon, unpopular, undemocratic, destructive agenda.

Most of us can see the effects of all these destructive policies and the effect they are having on our daily lives; the difficulty is actually identifying the real source of it and holding the guilty to account. It isn't possible to change the political party in power and expect to see a change because all three main parties of them are working to the same end.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 8:14 pm 
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I still work in the health & fire safety arena and am appalled by the way H&S is interpreted by many. In short, employers (and others) should aim to reduce risk to a tolerable level.

In my view, in the fire service operations, that may mean staff accepting risk to a level where they may take a knock or two. The odd bruise, cut or bump is - or should be acceptable at any shout. Other injuries from fractures to slight burns may be acceptable if a life can be saved, but risks that may lead to death and serious injuries are not acceptable. That's my dinosaur view. However, the 21st century culture is that all risk must be eliminated, and if you cant eliminate the risk, then you cant do it.

I should add, that the sprogs who have joined in the last 5 to 8 years, now see this intolerance of any risk as the norm. If this cowardly view isn't stopped now, it may never be possible. So buy a smoke alarm and service it regularly, as you can't rely on the fire service :-(


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:17 pm 
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SOT wrote:
I still work in the health & fire safety arena and am appalled by the way H&S is interpreted by many. In short, employers (and others) should aim to reduce risk to a tolerable level.

In my view, in the fire service operations, that may mean staff accepting risk to a level where they may take a knock or two. The odd bruise, cut or bump is - or should be acceptable at any shout. Other injuries from fractures to slight burns may be acceptable if a life can be saved, but risks that may lead to death and serious injuries are not acceptable. That's my dinosaur view. However, the 21st century culture is that all risk must be eliminated, and if you cant eliminate the risk, then you cant do it.

I should add, that the sprogs who have joined in the last 5 to 8 years, now see this intolerance of any risk as the norm. If this cowardly view isn't stopped now, it may never be possible. So buy a smoke alarm and service it regularly, as you can't rely on the fire service :-(


I always thought their pay reflected a 'danger element' as they go about their work. Is this another example of a public service ripping off the taxpayer by not delivering?

Police and Fire Service costs are taken in conjunction with the Council Tax, we have no choice on whether or what we pay. If these people are not going to rescue me or my children should we ever need them to do so what exactly am I paying for?

Please don't take this as personal criticism SOT it is not, I am simply chucking these questions out there as most persons in the UK would expect they would get rescued in an emergency situation when it seems that if there is a slightest hint of danger in doing so they will not.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 1:01 am 
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No, I would not take any criticism personally as this is not the same fire service I worked in :(

The fire service been getting more and more cuddly (as opposed to a disciplined service) for many years.

Once upon a time you could fail a fire service exam (trust me, I did too many times!). Now you don't pass or fail, you 'pass' or 'have training needs identified'.
Once, the Guv'nor made the decisions and ordered people to do things, now anyone can ignore an order if they assess that their H&S is being compromised.
Once, you marched (never walked) around training school and were shouted at by nasty training officers if you got anything wrong. Now long haired and undisciplined 'trainees' wander around training school chewing gum + with their hands in the pockets of their unironed jogger bottoms and carry a 'yellow card' which they issue to any instructor who they feel has been unfair to them (this launches a local inquiry)

Let me close by sharing this news hot off the press today. A senior manager discovered via an internal LFB e-mail, that some armed robbers were using firefighting uniforms as part of their MO, but thankfully the Police were onto them. Somehow he sent a text to the gang, warning them they were being watched. They and he were subsequently nicked.

In my day, any mere hint of dishonesty and you were sacked and this guy would have been on the dole within minutes. Not any more. The world's most senior female fire officer (a LFB Assistant Commissioner) sent a letter to the judge saying how lovely this idiot had been, and she would be keen to let him keep his job if possible. Partly on the strength of this letter, the firefighter/armed robber has received a suspended sentence & kept his job. It's incredible and a bloody disgrace, but true

http://www.london24.com/news/court/disg ... _1_1210346

Think about it. This bloke has unrivalled legal powers of entry to enter your house, unescorted and without your permission, even using force (via the Police) to do so. Would you trust him scrambling around in your house and looking thru your possessions? I really don't know what you have to do to get sacked from the LFB any more.

The lunatics have really taken over the LFB asylum


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 11:13 am 
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SOT wrote:
No, I would not take any criticism personally as this is not the same fire service I worked in :(

The fire service been getting more and more cuddly (as opposed to a disciplined service) for many years.

Once upon a time you could fail a fire service exam (trust me, I did too many times!). Now you don't pass or fail, you 'pass' or 'have training needs identified'.
Once, the Guv'nor made the decisions and ordered people to do things, now anyone can ignore an order if they assess that their H&S is being compromised.
Once, you marched (never walked) around training school and were shouted at by nasty training officers if you got anything wrong. Now long haired and undisciplined 'trainees' wander around training school chewing gum + with their hands in the pockets of their unironed jogger bottoms and carry a 'yellow card' which they issue to any instructor who they feel has been unfair to them (this launches a local inquiry)

Let me close by sharing this news hot off the press today. A senior manager discovered via an internal LFB e-mail, that some armed robbers were using firefighting uniforms as part of their MO, but thankfully the Police were onto them. Somehow he sent a text to the gang, warning them they were being watched. They and he were subsequently nicked.

In my day, any mere hint of dishonesty and you were sacked and this guy would have been on the dole within minutes. Not any more. The world's most senior female fire officer (a LFB Assistant Commissioner) sent a letter to the judge saying how lovely this idiot had been, and she would be keen to let him keep his job if possible. Partly on the strength of this letter, the firefighter/armed robber has received a suspended sentence & kept his job. It's incredible and a bloody disgrace, but true

http://www.london24.com/news/court/disg ... _1_1210346

Think about it. This bloke has unrivalled legal powers of entry to enter your house, unescorted and without your permission, even using force (via the Police) to do so. Would you trust him scrambling around in your house and looking thru your possessions? I really don't know what you have to do to get sacked from the LFB any more.

The lunatics have really taken over the LFB asylum


Boris should be put on the spot about this.

The article is silent on how the gang came about the uniforms but it is quite easy to make the connection. So this chap not only tipped them off he also probably supplied the means for them to do it. The judge should have made this connection and sentenced accordingly.

The only thing I can conclude is This watch manager at Stratford has something on the assistant commissioner!

This caught my eye..

http://www.london24.com/news/london_firefighters_help_man_with_ring_stuck_on_his_penis_1_1136581 Seems the LFB will assist persons with some problems....


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 6:59 pm 
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why did no by stander , just wade in , and have a go , i would , as it could be me out there next time


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 1:00 am 
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john wrote:
why did no by stander , just wade in , and have a go , i would , as it could be me out there next time


Probably scared of being sued in todays society !

Several US States have passed ` Good Samaritan ' laws where one can not be sued for trying to help a stranger unless obviously exceeding normal expertise.

Personally I agree and have done just that on a couple of occasions; gave CPR to a driver involved in a rail crossing accident; sorry but it did no good as he was dead anyway but at least I could live with myself for trying. Then saw an epiletics eyes roll back and he fell backwards on the escalator; simple; trot up the escalator and ` firemans carry' him on my shoulder till we reached the top.

Just hope some one would do the same for me if needed.


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:30 am 
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geezer466 wrote:
SOT wrote:
This caught my eye..

http://www.london24.com/news/london_firefighters_help_man_with_ring_stuck_on_his_penis_1_1136581 Seems the LFB will assist persons with some problems....


I attended one of these ring-on-penis shouts in the late 80s at Guy's Hospital. OUCH! The valve which supplies blood to this organ had been damaged by the chromed steel ring (like you get to hold a large dowel in a wardrobe to hang clothes on) and was now pumping blood in, but not out. As a result, the penis has swollen almost completely around the steel ring.

We tried using humour (failed!), a junior hacksaw (but it slipped off the chrome & cut him several times) and then some needle files to remove the chrome plating (ended up cutting him again as the blood obscured the area & we cold see which bit was steel and which bit was flesh). It was clear that we needed to hold 'him' very still to avoid us causing any more harm. So we knocked up a vice using kit supposed to be used for tearing crashed cars apart. The rescue equipment can lift 10 tonnes and never looked bigger that when it was used at this job. It took two of us to clean then carry the kit to the operating theatre, and I will never forget this patient's face when it first saw what we were going to use :o :o .

We made some small wooden shims to allow the metal parts of the rescue kit to grip and managed to hold him securely before cutting again & releasing him after about an hour. I get the feeling that after his ordeal, this chap changed is hobby to stamp collecting or something a little safer :roll:


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 5:49 am 
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Should have slipped it into something cold.... like dry ice!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 7:59 pm 
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Brian wrote:
Should have slipped it into something cold.... like dry ice!!!
:lol:


Someone did mention liquid oxygen, a club hammer & a dustpan + brush might do the trick :roll: :o


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