Scot Referendum
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Author:  Kremmen [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 2:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Scot Referendum

It's plainly obviously to me that Nicola Crankie is after a referendum before it's finalised and while there is still doubt.

At the moment would she get more onboard. If Brexit is a success, and why shouldn't it be, then her clan will likely want to stay out of Europe.

I think Theresa is making the right decision to put her full team on Brexit and not try and perform a juggling act with her north of Hadrians.

Author:  Lunar [ Fri Mar 17, 2017 10:05 pm ]
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Sturgeon needs to collect all the information regarding their independence post Brexit. Salmond has indicated that they would have to give up the Pound as a currency and the EU have indicated that they would have to apply for membership just like all the others, passing their criteria on finances etc.
If the EU were to break up and revert back to independence, the scenario is different. Sturgeon cannot promise anything, just like May cannot promise anything in the Brexit negaotiations. Do the Scottish people want to deal with 2 huge uncertainties in their futures.

Author:  Jon [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:24 am ]
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I just wish they'd get on with something useful. They all obviously have too much time on their hands. I can't see the attraction to Scots of so called independence anyway. They are not ruled by England, they are part of the United Kingdom and have done incredibly well out of it. Scots have often had a hugely disproportionate control of the UK government.

Many of the levers of power have been in the hands of Scots. So under the present arrangement, they partake in the ruling of one of the major governments of the world; if they ever get independence, they'll relegate themselves to a very small country with little influence on world politics.

Author:  Westonman [ Sat Mar 18, 2017 12:09 pm ]
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Scottish independence has nothing whatsoever to do with independence. The SNP is primarily about supporting international communism/fascism . Sturgeon, Salmond & Co. portray themselves as independent “progressive” socialists. Socialism is slow-motion Communism “progressing” towards communism/fascism, or totally controlling globalist dictatorship. Which is why we hear so much mention of “progressive politics” today coming from the political class. They are progressing, but it is an undefined progress towards something they don't want us to know - yet.

The 'independence' part of the SNP agenda is the very active globalist plan for the destruction the of all nation states, in the case of the SNP, the destruction of the United Kingdom. The nation states of the Western world must have their nation state status destroyed in order for the globalists' plan to succeed; hence the wide spread media action/anger directed against President Trump, and against the Brexit vote. Unfortunately for us, the LibLabCON party are directed by globalists too; so any apparent disagreement between Sturgeon and May is pure window dressing, intended to fool the British people – and it is largely successful.

The flaw in the SNP's argument is in plain sight. Their claim that they are striving for an independent Scotland within the EU is a political oxymoron – brazen stupidity, blatant lies. After all, the EU is run by supposedly ex-communists, all of whom are political control freaks.

And Brexit, the restoration of full British independence, will not be permitted to occur.

Author:  Rich Kid [ Mon Mar 20, 2017 1:28 pm ]
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Westonman wrote:
And Brexit, the restoration of full British independence, will not be permitted to occur.

I am confident it will, the only question is in what form?

Author:  Jon [ Mon Mar 20, 2017 7:01 pm ]
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Well that's the point.... will it be all an illusion? Global government is what is being built, and that can continue unimpeded with or without Brexit in any form.

Author:  Westonman [ Tue Mar 21, 2017 11:17 am ]
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Rich Kid, I describe Brexit as “the restoration of full British independence”. Which is what those who voted for Brexit thought they were voting for - a FULL restoration of British independence from the European Union. That clearly isn't the plan of this government.

On May the 4th this year new mayors are to be 'elected' into office; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38236484. The mayors are part of the federalisation of England under the EU system; which is also part of the 'localism process' for democratising the nation. These mayors will effectively be 'enforcers' for centralised global policies, where unelected NGOs, interested, 'charities' and 'partners' will undemocraticly control our lives. Federalisation also breaks the unity of the British nation; a process that is greatly assisted by the continuing open door immigration policy of creating a “multi-cultural” society. A fragmented federalised multi-cultural society can NOT be a nation of independence.

The current Mayor of London, Khan, has already called for London to be declared a City State under the EU, in order to 'protect London from any possible effects of Brexit. There is nothing to prevent all regional mayors from doing the same – thereby destroying any Brexit at a stroke.

Also, as I've previously explained, Britian's military is already under the control and command of the EU via the French military control structure. The Royal Navy is already effectively a part of the developing EU Navy. The RN is now a very small and dysfunctional shadow of its former being. Even over the last Parliament, the RN was further shrunk to the point of having no effective fighting ships and men. AND, this change of command and control of the British military has taken place without any discussion inside Parliament. Our Parliamentarians are asleep on the job.

Official figures put the current strength of the British Army at about 84,000 men, in TOTAL. That includes administration, supply, medics, etc. The Army is currently losing personnel at a very high rate of loss (at a guess, the current strength of the Army could be a low as 60,000 men. At the same time the government, and the EU, are rattling war chains in President Putin's face, all along the Russian border. Something here is very wrong indeed. It is so wrong that it can only be described as insane.

So I say again, there is no possibility of Britain ever again being fully independent of the EU. The process of “ever closer union” is continuing at pace without any reference to the British people. A federalised Britain without an independent military can NEVER be independent. To make matters much worse, Britain's engineering industry, the industry essential for supplying an independent military, has been reduced to becoming a near non-entity – and all under the watchful eyes of the political class that govern us.

Yes, some kind of Brexit will likely be foisted on us, but not FULL independence from the globalist EU that we voted for.

May's government is also preparing for a British Commonwealth involvement in globalised trade agreements as part of the 'Brexit process'. To me, this looks like another route into a globalised one-world government, the same goal of the EU. Whichever way we look at it, a one-world globalised government is on the horizon. A government where the independent nation state no longer exists.

Author:  Jon [ Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:20 am ]
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Mayors around the world attend UN meetings now where they sign their cities up to "sustainability" goals, then come back with a commitment to things like making life hell for motorists.

Author:  Westonman [ Thu Mar 23, 2017 12:24 pm ]
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Jon wrote:
Mayors around the world attend UN meetings now where they sign their cities up to "sustainability" goals, then come back with a commitment to things like making life hell for motorists.
Absolutely correct. Mayors are effectively agents of a One-World Government under cover and largely out of sight of the ordinary people.

In the mean time, the people are increasingly kept too busy working long hours on low pay (surviving). And, being conditioned, through mind-numbing entertainment to not think about what is actually going on. Plus, the 'fear factor' is constantly being hyped up by the political class and the MSM. And, our stress levels are raised to breaking point by the constant and unwanted changes we are all daily subjected to; very little these days remains unchanged for very long – we have to be constantly on our guard, constantly having to comply with forced change, and under relentless pressure to perform, and conform – under threat of ever more penalties. Simply parking a car now has become a nightmare of enormous proportions – everything it seems, has become frustratingly and unnecessarily difficult. I'm currently having to deal with HMRC - AGAIN; this organisation specialises in making life as difficult as possible, just speaking to them on the 'phone is nigh on impossible, but they always quick to impose a short noticed penalty.

We are guilty by default these days, the days of innocent until proven guilty are long gone. Penalties and non-court fines can rain down on us like confetti these days. Drop a cherry stone - automatic £80 non-court fine. Disagree with somebody - a charge of Hate Crime hangs over us. Overstay by 1 minute in a supermarket car park - an unlimited non-court fine from a private company quickly follows. Inadvertently drift over a posted and purely arbitrary speed limit - automatic fines and points on the driving license drop through the letter box a few days later. Don't have a TV, no need for a TV License, and TVL constantly harass me with threats of courts, fines, search warrants, bailiffs, imprisonment. And I am old enough to apply for a free TV License, but I don't want to watch the TV.

'Authority' (frequently assumed, not necessarily actual authority) is doing everything it can to make our lives as difficult, stressful, and as unpleasant as possible.

Author:  Jon [ Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:06 am ]
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I'm going to Ghent in Belgium in May, where lived for four years while growing up. You would not believe the hell that's being inflicted on motorists there, more extreme than anything we've seen yet in Britain. I haven't been there for 17 years, but have been watching with increasing shock what's going on, via Belgian newspapers and Facebook.

A huge protest is planned for May 1st outside the city hall, sadly I won't arrive in Belgium till the following day. I'll tell you more about it in another post. Frightening to see how far things can be taken. The city is run by a Green/Socialist/Liberal coalition.

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