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 Post subject: Article 50 Triggered
PostPosted: Wed Mar 29, 2017 7:15 pm 
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At long last Theresa May has sent the letter triggering Article 50 .... now the real work starts ...

https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... article-50


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 Post subject: Re: Article 50 Triggered
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Post Brexit which Court will be the highest Court of appeal to us?

Will it be The Supreme Court https://www.supremecourt.uk/, or the Crown?

Or will it remain the European Court of Justice (ECJ) http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/the-court-of-justice/ ?

Post Brexit will Britain's fishing industry be fully restored, along with our fishing grounds? If so, who is going to pay for those thousands of fishing vessels that were destroyed as part of the EU treaties. Will the Royal Navy be sufficiently strengthened, free and able to protect Britain's restored fishing fleet? Will the whole of Britain's military be brought back up to strength and placed totally under UK Government control?

In short, post Brexit, will Britons be a truly free sovereign nation again, able to defend themselves without having to look to the EU for permission or support; in full control of our national borders again, our own internal banking system and energy supplies?

Anything less than a return to the blood bought sovereignty Briton's enjoyed back in 1960 will not be the full Brexit most of us voted for.

I suspect that the highest court will remain being the ECJ. Our fishing fleet and fishing grounds will not be fully restored to us. Neither will our 1960 sovereignty be fully restored, as we ordinary folk understand sovereignty. We shall continue to be at the mercy of the international debt-based money supply bankers, and the corporatists will not restore our control over our energy supplies and our one time heavy engineering industries. And, what little is left of the British military will remain under EU command and control. No, it has gone to far, and would cost far to much to reverse now.

Post Brexit will we see the current political urgency to federalise England into mayor led regions and cities abandoned? Will we see a reduction in our taxes because of the money that will not be going to the EU. I think the answer to these questions will all be in the negative.

Mrs May is long on words, but I fear she is short on integrity, truth, and old fashioned patriotism. At heart she and her colleagues are committed globalists, and I fear that it is going to take a lot more than Article 50 and the following endless hours of fruitless talks to convert Mrs May, and her colleagues, into becoming truly non-globalist patriotic Britons.


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 Post subject: Re: Article 50 Triggered
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Even though we are coming out Brussels still want to dictate terms.

The one I find most distasteful is they reckon we can't negotiate trade with any other country until we are fully out. I reckon we negotiate but any trade does not commence on the new terms until we are out.

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 Post subject: Re: Article 50 Triggered
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Kremmen wrote:
The one I find most distasteful is they reckon we can't negotiate trade with any other country until we are fully out.
Agreed.

Why do we need Trade Agreements in order to trade? If you have something for sale that I'm looking to purchase, we don't need an agreement written in stone in order to trade. Yes, both sides can offer terms of business (even these are negotiable between us), and if either of us don't like the terms then we are both free to walk away from the deal. Its called business.

As I understand it, political 'Free' trade agreements tend to work in favour of the cheapest labour force. Maybe this is why Britain has lost most of its exporting engineering businesses to the East, and why many of the corporations in the USA moved south into Mexico; which is one of the objections that brought President Trump into office.

Perhaps Free Trade Agreements are a method for Socialist wealth redistribution, primarily for the benefit by the international globalist corporations and the bankers.


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 Post subject: Re: Article 50 Triggered
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Regarding Brexit, quite a few don't seem to realise the future/threat the country was under with Brussels becoming more powerful month on month. By stealth they were taking over.

The time would have come when Brussels decided that they wanted full control over the UK economy, being the fifth largest, and would have voted to devolve the UK parliament. Other countries, the leeches, would have voted in agreement with France and Germany wanting a huge slice.

I seem to be in the minority who can see this. The EU will end up as one big country with Germany running it but under the guise of Brussels.

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 Post subject: Re: Article 50 Triggered
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Kremmen. You are not alone with our fears and doubts. I believe the situation is far more desperate than even you imagine it to be.

I believe the EU has already taken full control of the UK. Parliament is already a willing puppet of the EU; a sleeping chamber of politically correct globalist obsessives . The current process of merging the British Military with the EU has never been debated within Parliament; in fact, until very recently, the majority of MPs were completely ignorant of the military merging process. I understand that only in the last couple of weeks or so, some MPs became aware of what is going on and expressed their anger. This last week David Davis announced that all EU laws passed since the UK joined the Common Market/European Union (over 40 years of laws) are to be incorporated into UK law. This doesn't sound like Brexit to me - it sounds like surrender.

The merging of the British Royal Navy, the Army, and the Royal Air Force with the EU military is currently in well-advanced process. Two independent sources have confirmed to me that French controllers are already in Royal Air Force St Mawgan in Cornwall, and at Northwood Headquarters. About Northwood Headquarters here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northwood_Headquarters The handover of the British 'independent' nuclear force to the EU is virtually an irreversible process.

An EU Military will mean a full EU government, and the end of all nations states within the EU. An EU Military will require a military budget – a rapidly expanding budget, meaning an EU Treasury with full tax raising powers across the EU. I agree with you here; an EU centralised government with full powers across the EU is looking inevitable. This EU government will have full economic powers, a unified currency, budgetary, military, law enforcement, and unlimited political powers.

In my opinion, the current unification across the EU is so well advanced that Article 50 that Mrs May has signed will probably not run its 2 year course before the announcement of an EU wide government with full powers, including over Britain. I believe it is a done-deal, the current Brexit shenanigans are a massive exercise in deceit of the British people. The powers that be are very aware that there is an awakening of public opinion against the elite and their globalist plans; so we should expect a major push from them to complete their dastardly plans of a fully unified and military EU in very short order. Many of Britain's local authorities have offices in Brussels so that they can keep fully abreast of EU processes and dorectives; I have heard no reports of any local authority mentioning the closure, or threatetend closure, of their EU office because of Brexit, probably because there are not going to be any L.A office closures in Brussels.

We don't have to look very hard to see that something is very wrong. G. Brown ordered two new aircraft carriers as a job creation scheme for Scotland. Cameron scrapped our existing fully operational aircraft carriers and sold the updated Harriers to the US for pennies. Cameron also effectively reduced the RN's ability to support any aircraft carrier by seriously depleting the RN Fleet of essential carrier defence vessels. Only a few weeks ago the national press was reporting there are insufficient qualified RN ratings and officers to man the first of the new aircraft carriers. What the press didn't report was the fact that RN engineering collages have been closed down. This is on top of all the redundancies of trained military ranks and officers, that this and previous governments have announced. Add to the fiasco surrounding the new aircraft carriers, that the planned American built F35 aircraft due to operate from the new carriers are currently non-operational because of many major technical issues and budgetary over-runs. There are also major technical and engineering problems to be resolved with the new carriers. I suspect that these two new carriers will eventually be handed over to the French and Germans to resolve the outstanding issues, and then crew them as part of the EU Navy.


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 Post subject: Re: Article 50 Triggered
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I hope you're wrong Westonman. From what I've read about the early EU negotiating stance it seems pretty hopeless trying to negotiate with such people - let's just get out, wave good-bye and accept WTO rules. Let them sink in their own incompetence.


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 Post subject: Re: Article 50 Triggered
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Rich Kid, I hope I'm wrong too, but the situation doesn't look promising - does it?


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 Post subject: Re: Article 50 Triggered
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It doesn't look promising I admit although I'm the eternal optimist ...


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 Post subject: Re: Article 50 Triggered
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David Davis tells us that the Great Repeal Bill will incorporate all EU law into UK law from day one. He also says that the UK will subsequently decide which EU laws, if any, to remove. Is David Davis correct in his assessment; or are we being deceived yet again? Here is David Davis:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03 ... ower-back/

The BBC explains that the entire body of European laws is known as the "Acquis Communautaire":
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/eur ... 216329.stm

This PDF from the House of Commons confirms the statement from the BBC report above:
researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN05944/SN05944.pdf
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The Acquis Communautaire is the accumulated body of European Union (EU) law and obligations from 1958 to the present day. It comprises all the EU's treaties and laws (directives, regulations, decisions), declarations and resolutions, international agreements and the judgments of the Court of Justice. It also includes action that EU governments take together in the Area of Freedom, Security and Justice and under the Common Foreign and Security Policy.
New EU Member States must accept all the existing acquis - some elements of it during a transitional period - and put in place mechanisms to adopt future elements of the acquis.
The Court of Justice has ruled that the EU acquis takes precedence over national law if there is a conflict, and that the acquis may have direct effect in the Member States.


Here we see the Acquis Communautaire defined:
http://www.euro-know.org/europages/dictionary/a.html
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Acquis communautaire
The acquis communautaire, or Community heritage, is the entire body of laws, policies and practices which have at any given time evolved in the EU. The term had been current in European circles for some years before it made its first formal appearance in the 1992 Maastricht Treaty, under which it became an explicit objective of the Union 'to maintain in full the acquis communautaire and build on it'. Thus the concept lies at the heart of the ratchet process of European integration, since it commits the member states to accept all previous and future centralising measures and implicitly rules out any repatriation of powers.
The acquis particularly comes into play when new countries join the EU. These are required to abide by the Union's Treaties, legal obligations and policy positions, to 'take such measures as may be necessary to ensure their implementation' and to acknowledge the supremacy of Community law. A notable example was the enforced acceptance by Denmark, Ireland and the UK of the Common Fisheries Policy, which had been rushed through at the last minute in 1971 to enable the existing member states to lay claim to those countries' Atlantic and North Sea fish as a 'common resource'. Another example was the acceptance of the objective of Economic and Monetary Union by Spain and Portugal many years before it found legal expression in the Maastricht Treaty.
The Amsterdam Treaty introduced the principle of greater flexibility within the EU, but made it clear that this was a last resort and was applicable only to future developments. It did not, therefore, affect the sacrosanct nature of the acquis.

So, the Acquis Communautaire is the whole body of EU law that takes “ supremacy” over all member state's law, and includes the “ratcheting process of European integration" – AND - rules out "ANY REPATRIATION OF POWERS”.
How does the “supremacy of EU law” over member state's law, and the non “repatriation of national powers/sovereignty” compare with what David Davis told Parliament? Is David Davis saying the Government is about to break binding and ratcheting EU law by reclaiming national sovereignty powers, even though the European Court is supreme over British courts; or is the Government deceitfully misleading us again?

Again: David Davis says that all of the last several decades of EU law are to be absorbed into UK law by the Great Repeal Bill. The EU law that is to be absorbed include the "supremacy of EU law", and the NON "repatriation of powers”/national sovereignty.

Do politicians lie to us. Well, they did over taking us into the Common Market in the first place. They insisted that the CM was NOT about political union - but it was - and they all KNEW it was.

I suggest that Brexit actually means NO CHANGE, and we are remaining under the control of, primarily Germany, with a 'helping hand' from France (a long time natural enemy of Britain).


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