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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:25 am 
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SMART Meters are NOT mandatory:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/02/01 ... ers_yesno/

I wrote to my MP seeking confirmation as to whether smart meters in domestic properties were to be compulsory or not. My letter was passed around various Government departments for a few weeks. Eventually I received a letter confirming that smart meters are not, and will NOT be mandatory. After recieving the reply from my MP I subsequently recieved an email from British Gas claiming that SMART meters are mandatory. I am not a BG customer, and yet BG still believe they can throw their weight around.

Now it appears that the lies about SMART meters being mandatory continue to be told to us by officialdom.

This quote comes from an email I received today:
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At 09:47 on March 7, 2015, the Communications Director for Smart Energy GB — the government body tasked with “ensuring customers understand smart meters” -- appeared on the BBC One Breakfast show and told viewers that every home in the UK would need to have a smart meter fitted by 2020 -- a colossal untruth.

The following transcript was recently obtained by Stop Smart Meters! UK directly from the BBC complaints desk and shows the exchange between Smart Energy GB's Claire Maugham and presenter Charlie Stayt:
[Time stamp 09:47, 7 March 2015]:
CHARLIE STAYT: How do you get one [a smart meter]?
CLAIRE MAUGHAM: They are being installed by energy suppliers and they are being installed at no extra cost to the consumer.
CHARLIE STAYT: So, you just call up your supplier and say “I’d like one” and they are obliged to give it to you?
CLAIRE MAUGHAM: You need to contact your supplier. Some of them have already started installing them and there are already one million of them out there, but they have to install them in 100% of homes by 2020. {emphasis added]

See this confirmation that SMART METERS are NOT mandatory:
http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/wp-conten ... sponse.jpg

The above document comes from here:
http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/ofgem-con ... rt-meters/

More confirmation here:
http://stopsmartmeters.org.uk/a-reminde ... rt-meters/
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An article from The Register in February of this year (http://reg.cx/1TX7) quoted Hendry as saying the following:
“We believe that people will benefit from having smart meters, but we will not make them obligatory. If people are concerned about the electromagnetic issues, they will not be required to have one. We have been willing to give assurances to Hon Members on that account.”
And David Cameron’s Secretary of State for Energy & Climate Change, Edward Davey MP, issued a public response to our DontSmartMeter.me campaign in which he stated the following:
“We believe smart meters will bring important benefits to consumers… However, there will not be a legal obligation on individuals to have one.”


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:49 am 
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TBH I'm not fussed as long as they pay for them. I submit my quarterly reading to BG via their phone app and never had a problem.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 1:07 pm 
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I am very concerned about smart meters because nobody in officialdom will tell us just how much microwave energy these meters will be pumping into our homes over any period of time. I believe that one reason they won't tell us is because they are not able to reliably predict what the microwaves will be doing to us. Microwaves can behave in very unpredictable ways, especially when radiating into unknown and unmeasured environments such as domestic situations that are subject to infinite and constant variations. For example, an earth bonding may appear to be a short circuit to ground, but at microwave frequencies can act as a resonant transmitter.

I used to work in the microwave business during my working life, and I know just how careful the industry has to be about preventing the unnecessary irradiation of its workers from microwave energy. Just because mobile phones have become almost permanent attachments to millions of heads doesn't mean they are not doing any long-term harm. Radiation doses are cumulative, and even very small doses over a prolonged period of time can amount to hazardous doses which may not be realised for many years.


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I thought they were just a new meter with a Sim card ?

Shows you what I know

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They may not be mandatory but that doesn't mean they won't find a way to make it impossible not to have one. For example, you might find eventually there isn't an energy company that will supply you if you haven't got one. Doesn't mean you have to have one... get my drift?

It's about control.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 4:41 pm 
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Jon wrote:
They may not be mandatory but that doesn't mean they won't find a way to make it impossible not to have one. For example, you might find eventually there isn't an energy company that will supply you if you haven't got one. Doesn't mean you have to have one... get my drift?

It's about control.
I get your drift Jon. It doesn't mean we simply roll over and give in though - does it? If my memory serves me right, I recall you refusing to accept a 'parking fine', I think it was in the Clayton Road area, and you fought it - and succeeded.


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Dr Barrie Trower – Who/what is he?
http://geopathology-za.wikidot.com/barrie-trower
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His CV:
I trained at the Governments Microwave Warfare establishment in 60's. I worked with the underwater bomb disposal unit, which used microwaves.
In the 70's I helped de-brief spies trained in microwave warfare.
My first degree is in Physics (I specialised in microwaves)
My second degree is a research degree.
I have a teaching diploma in human physiology.
I teach advanced physics and mathematics at South Dartmoor College.
Author of the Tetra Report for the Police Federation. I predicted the illnesses, which the officers now complain of.
I predicted the illness's the residents now complain of.
These are illness's that occurred before my report was published and cannot be psychosomatic.
At a conference in Birmingham I said: "This Government, Industry and Government Scientists will be responsible for more deaths (of civilians) in peace time than all the terrorist organizations ever." The evidence I have is showing this is correct. I put my money where my mouth is and stand my ground.
It is easy to prove TETRA is not safe. Barrie Trower

Dr Barrie Trower was an MI5 agent:
https://vimeo.com/50208624
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Former MI5 agent Barrie Trower is a physicist who worked for British intelligence. There he got secret knowledge about the huge danger of electro smog=scalar waves and microwave radiation in our cell phone and Wi-Fi technology.


A 30 minute video from Barrie Trower on the dangers of microwaves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdB-tbzJSrk

Very short video by Dr Barrie Trower on the effects of microwaves on girls:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6J-Z0HkqIfk

From Prof. John R. Goldsmith, M.D., M.P.H.
http://whale.to/b/goldsmith_h.html
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Goldsmith JR. Epidemiologic evidence relevant to radar (microwave) effects. Environ Health Perspect. 1997 Dec;105 Suppl 6:1579-87. Review. PMID: 9467086 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
    Public and occupational exposures to microwave (RF) radiation are of two main types. The first type of exposures are those connected with military and industrial uses and, to some extent, broadcast exposures. It is this type that most of the data cited in this study draw upon. The second type, cellular telephones and their associated broadcast requirements, have raised concerns about current exposures because of their increasingly widespread use. Four types of effects were originally reported in multiple studies: increased spontaneous abortion, shifts in red and white blood cell counts, increased somatic mutation rates in lymphocytes, and increased childhood, testicular, and other cancers. In addition, there is evidence of generalized increased disability rates from a variety of causes in one study and symptoms of sensitivity reactions and lenticular opacity in at least one other. These findings suggest that RF exposures are potentially carcinogenic and have other health effects.


Microwaves in a public place:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAE9-PuUmDk


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:55 pm 
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Westonman wrote:
Jon wrote:
They may not be mandatory but that doesn't mean they won't find a way to make it impossible not to have one. For example, you might find eventually there isn't an energy company that will supply you if you haven't got one. Doesn't mean you have to have one... get my drift?

It's about control.
I get your drift Jon. It doesn't mean we simply roll over and give in though - does it? If my memory serves me right, I recall you refusing to accept a 'parking fine', I think it was in the Clayton Road area, and you fought it - and succeeded.

More than one Westonman!! Lots!! That was a private so called fine and I've had lots of successes against council so called fines.

And I was not disagreeing with you either, just explaining the machinations that will occur.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:25 am 
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One of the things about these meters is that they try and get you excited by statements like "see how much electricity you are using so you can make savings"

Er, no, if I want to use something electric I will :)

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Jon wrote:
And I was not disagreeing with you either, just explaining the machinations that will occur.
I suspected that you were not disagreeing with me Jon, but I thought it was reasonable to suggest that it is past the time when we should stand up to the bullies and liars who have assumed more 'power' than they actually have.

I too have had success against a local council that assumed it had the right to compell me to do what the council had no authority in law to instruct me to do. It appears their default position is to 'rule' without authority; but then, that is the Common Purpose mode of operation; exercising power "beyond their authority". They also forget that they are not the authority; they are a local council that is supposed to be representing the local electorate.


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