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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 5:21 pm 
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What’s it like to tell the truth
And never utter a lie
Just listen to what a person says
Just Before they die.



Man To Man Talk, by John

I met Barrie a real mans man
When at a hospital
At visiting time
We just stuck it right, he looked just fine

We talked forever about what a man was to him
He never sheds tears or shows that he cares
That’s for sissies, there just for a wimp
Keep it inside
Never show what you think

A mans man, will never speak soft
To a man by his side
Or tell his wife that he loves her
Without a few drinks. Inside, a man never cried.



Had a chat in the garden over a fag
You had a drink, like a real mans man
You told me of your life, travelling round
Then coming back home, a wife you had found

But Barrie had cancer from foot to head
Only his last day confined him to bed

I went to his room, his wife by his side

He leaned across, wanted to confide

Life nearly over
Time running out
To put things in order
He opened his mouth


He whispered to me, as only a dyeing man can

Goodbye John, I love you

Said the Mans Man


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:11 pm 
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Wow! Did you write that and is it based on something that happened?


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:18 pm 
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What exactly is wrong in being gay?
Phil
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:23 pm 
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Nothing:-

The word gay arrived in English during the 12th century from Old French gai, most likely deriving ultimately from a Germanic source.[1] For most of its life in English, the word's primary meaning was "joyful", "carefree", "bright and showy", and the word was very commonly used with this meaning in speech and literature. For example, the optimistic 1890s are still often referred to as the Gay Nineties. The title of the 1938 French ballet Gaîté Parisienne ("Parisian Gaiety"), which became the 1941 Warner Brothers movie, The Gay Parisian,[7] also illustrates this connotation.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 18, 2014 7:52 pm 
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Robongar wrote:
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The word gay arrived in English during the 12th century from Old French gai, most likely deriving ultimately from a Germanic source.[1] For most of its life in English, the word's primary meaning was "joyful", "carefree", "bright and showy", and the word was very commonly used with this meaning in speech and literature. For example, the optimistic 1890s are still often referred to as the Gay Nineties. The title of the 1938 French ballet Gaîté Parisienne ("Parisian Gaiety"), which became the 1941 Warner Brothers movie, The Gay Parisian,[7] also illustrates this connotation.


Unless you are totally ignorant, you must know what the meaning of the word "gay" in the title to this thread referred to.

Phil
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 8:40 am 
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What's the thread title got to do with the poem?
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 12:22 pm 
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No one said or implied there was anything wrong. However, heterosexual men don't want to be perceived as gay simply because they show emotion and nothing will change that.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:20 pm 
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It's not a question of right or wrong.
I don't see the connection.
There is nothing to suggest that the dying man is a poof.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:08 pm 
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Perhaps, and only perhaps, the title should be something like "What Is A Man's Man?" and then the words "It's Not Gay To Say I Love You" included somewhere else in the poem and possibly the last line. A wife is mentioned earlier but she doesn't seem to be there in the last part and so ends with a man saying goodbye to another man. I agree with Brian that it is only the title which makes the suggestion it does. Hope you don't mind me adding my thoughts on your good poem, John.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 19, 2014 7:19 pm 
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Back again to say that, on reading the poem again, the wife does seem to be there at the end and so there are three people there. I'm sorry if I misunderstood in my previous post about the poem.


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