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PostPosted: Tue Jul 21, 2015 10:49 pm 
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Many shops actually own a substantial part of the pavement in front of them. I intervened to help a cafe in Kingshill Ave on this very issue. LBH told them they couldn't put tables and chairs out the front without applying for permission and a licence. The council were wrong as the cafe actually owns about two thirds of the pavement in front of it. The council officer told me she hadn't realised. Cllr Curling (remember him?) helped by getting copies of the plans for me if I remember rightly.


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:23 am 
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Be interesting to see how this pans out when it's a through road.

One other thing I found amusing is that there is a car tyre fitters next to where the Standard was in Coldharbour lane. During the roadworks cars were still driving over the pavement to get into the fitting workshop.

What the council have done is to erect 2 large thick bollards right in front of the workshop.There is also a pelican pedestrian crossing right in front now. I wonder how long before they get 'removed' by the tyre fitters?

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 9:42 am 
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Many shops actually own a substantial part of the pavement in front of them. I intervened to help a cafe in Kingshill Ave on this very issue. LBH told them they couldn't put tables and chairs out the front without applying for permission and a licence. The council were wrong as the cafe actually owns about two thirds of the pavement in front of it. The council officer told me she hadn't realised. Cllr Curling (remember him?) helped by getting copies of the plans for me if I remember rightly.


An unusual case then I wager. Do the council charge the shop keeper for cleaning and maintenance of the part of the highway that they own.

Unusual in so far as it could throw up all sorts of rights of way issues and who is permitted to cross the land.

Kingshill avenue is maybe an unusual example owing to the width of the pavement there is in that part of the town. Maybe the block was levelled and rebuilt (further back) from war damage? Owners retained ownership of their bits of land which became the highway?


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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 12:42 pm 
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When I walked past last week the boxes of fruit were almost out to the post and telephone box reducing it to a single pathway.

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.50540 ... 312!8i6656


The tyre shop now bollarded off is this one:

https://www.google.co.uk/maps/@51.50984 ... 312!8i6656

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When I was there in 1992 a local shop owner told me that nothing was done to stop Indian shops from hanging their goods on the pavement but if he'd tried it he would have been jumped on from a great height!

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 8:23 pm 
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There are shops on the Uxbridge Road and in Lansbury Drive that own the pavement outside, where the shopkeepers park their cars right outside the shop window. However.... how they get their cars there is a moot point because it can involve driving over footpath they don't own.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 7:25 am 
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The other thing I forgot to mention was that I was passing as they were laying it out. Both shops between Argos and the one shown had people carrying the boxes of fruit and they had a fag hanging out with ash dropping into the boxes.

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