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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:38 am 
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A very sad situation for this country.

it's going to take a UKIP to try and reverse things before it's too late. I know UKIP won't get to form a Gov but I'm going to be interested to see how much of the vote they get in 2015.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 12:14 pm 
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A lot of the problems come from membership of the EU monolith and the lobbying for ever flexible labour rules from the global corporations. It suits them to have dozens chasing jobs as it depresses labour costs.

We joined a free trade organisation but ended up with something completely different consequence of a number of follow on treaty's. Masstricht and Lisbon just two.

Even if UKIP were able to form a government and remove us from the EU the following day it won't make much difference now. Many Europeans are settled here, have families, homes jobs ect. No government can turn round and tell them to leave as that way leads to internal strife possibly even a civil war of some description.

All UKIP could possibly do is stop the problem from getting worse. Other than that the damage is done. Global firms paying minimum wage and using poor tax laws to pick and choose how much and where they pay it!!

As Westonman says so very often Governments (not only here but across Western Europe and the US) have engineered this. It is all part of the transfer of wealth from the little people to the global corporations and the elite. The politicians do it in the knowledge they will be well looked after.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:38 pm 
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I am guilty of shopping on Amazon but after the recent bad publicity and a couple of issues I have had regarding deliveries I will be looking elsewhere in future.
I don't think closing my account will make much difference but am sure if the masses did the same they would have to make hard and fast changes to their processes.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 8:23 pm 
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Exploitation of workers on the bottom rung is rife everywhere, I've heard shocking stories over the years from people about the way they're treated and robbed. Something's gone very very wrong in this country.


That is it in a nutshell Jon. Whilst I think the unions went too far in the 1970's, they have conceded far too much ground since, and are absolutely failing the ordinary working man and woman.

The decline of working terms and conditions, the race to the bottom in living wages, zero hour contracts, jobs being shipped overseas, food banks, the government openly punishing the genuinely unemployed sick and disabled etc.

We are heading back to the Victorian age of the workhouse. The unions and ordinary folk have been battered into submission, and that is just wrong in a so called democracy. I hope it comes back to haunt those responsible.


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 9:07 pm 
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Moley wrote:
Jon wrote:
Exploitation of workers on the bottom rung is rife everywhere, I've heard shocking stories over the years from people about the way they're treated and robbed. Something's gone very very wrong in this country.


That is it in a nutshell Jon. Whilst I think the unions went too far in the 1970's, they have conceded far too much ground since, and are absolutely failing the ordinary working man and woman.

The decline of working terms and conditions, the race to the bottom in living wages, zero hour contracts, jobs being shipped overseas, food banks, the government openly punishing the genuinely unemployed sick and disabled etc.

We are heading back to the Victorian age of the workhouse. The unions and ordinary folk have been battered into submission, and that is just wrong in a so called democracy. I hope it comes back to haunt those responsible.


The sad fact is under these circumstances the Trade Unions can never garner any power to overturn the march of the corporations unless they control a small subsection of workers (which no one else can be drafted in at short notice to do)in pretty much the same way as Bob Crowe and the RMT.

Mr Crowe gets a bad press but is he any worse than the top level bankers or the CEO's of the corporations who dictate to government the immigration policies they must follow?

All part of the game isn't it!! Turn the population against people who might actually be trying to work in peoples best interests.

Only the other day Boris was rabbiting on about allowing the corporations to sponsor Tube Stations!! Samsung Circus, Sony Court Road, Cisco Arch the bloody fool, is nothing sacred?

Here is another story which got only a brief mention in the papers (did not make many at all or indeed the BBC)

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/ma ... 2m-2866929

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Flag-waving former PM Margaret Thatcher may have avoided millions in inheritance tax by keeping a chunk of her fortune offshore.
A copy of Tory Baroness Thatcher’s will shows she left a £4.7million estate to be shared among family members.
But the £12million Central London mansion where the Iron Lady spent the last years of her life is owned by an anonymous trust registered in the British Virgin Islands – a ­notorious tax haven.


So instead of her estate attracting inheritance tax on £16.4 Million it only attracts it at £4.7 Million. IHT threshold this year is £325,000 so the net loss to the exchequer on her controversial but legal move will deprive the exchequer of 40% of £11.65million...

No accident these tax saving rules are available to those with money and the wherewithal to register trusts in the BVT but not to the serfs!!

Neither is it surprising that the it took one left wing paper to dish the dirty on her offshore tax arrangements. It appears in no other publications.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?num=100 ... 85iLz8ElEQ


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 11:20 pm 
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mmm I think I will have all my assets transferred over the border into Southall, and dodge a bit of tax.

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