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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:40 am 
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When is ANY tax fair? There will always be anomalies. We need a total overhaul of our tax system but I cannot see it ever happening, the poilticians will go on tinkering with it forever. I'm surprised that there hasn't been a greater campaign to incorporate erroneously called 'National Insurance' (income tax by another name) into mainstream income tax, then people would wake up to how highly we're taxed!
Is Inheritance Tax fair?
Is Stamp Duty (on house purchase) fair?
I'd say no.


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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 1:56 pm 
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I agree, being taxed on what you've already paid on. And then they donate it to somewhere you don't want it donated to.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 2:26 pm 
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The government borrows so-called 'money' from the bankers, 'money' that the banks don't actually have, but they create it out of nothing. 'Money' the banks then charge the government interest on. Interest that requires us to be taxed to pay the interest.

Since current taxation is based on a corrupt banking system it must be fraudulent, and since fraud is a crime, it must therefore be illegal.

I understand it is an offence for anyone to finance illegality; so by paying taxes are we all engaging in illegality and therefore liable to criminal prosecution?


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 1:00 am 
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It's weird I know, but I don't think anyone knows what money actually is!


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:10 am 
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Jon wrote:
It's weird I know, but I don't think anyone knows what money actually is!


Its a printed piece of paper, some pretty with a serial number and the monarchs head affixed a token if you like. In itself it means nothing but when you have a suggestible population they can be led to believe the notes actually have value.

Reality is is that without the suggestible notion that they are actually worth something promoting confidence in the system they are simply worth the value of the paper they are printed upon.

Many years ago (getting on for a 100 years now) there was strict legislation which limited the number of banknotes in circulation to roughly the value of the gold kept in the vaults, this kept a lid on inflation but restricted growth as per restricting the money supply.

In the 1930's the so called gold standard was removed giving the banks the licence to print whatever they want and every year since more has been printed into circulation. Highly inflationary in itself unless you can manage the growth which goes with it, indeed which has to come with it. More and more tokens of promises to pay need more and more bodies working their fingers to the bone creating the growth and consuming the output.

Maintaining the growth comes with other social problems as we are now seeing. They should build houses to accommodate the extra people in the Country but they don't, that of course leads to bubbles which in turn lead to huge economic uncertainty when they burst.

The question people should really be asking is how long can this go on for. This is uncharted territory, no one has been here before, the debt figures are huge and get larger every year.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:23 am 
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geezer466 wrote:
This is uncharted territory, no one has been here before, the debt figures are huge and get larger every year.
Because 'money' is valueless tokens, isn't the debt associated with it also fraudulent?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:01 am 
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Good point!

In fact the tokens aren't terribly relevant any more. Most of my money comes and goes simply as numbers on a screen.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:08 pm 
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Jon wrote:
Good point!

In fact the tokens aren't terribly relevant any more. Most of my money comes and goes simply as numbers on a screen.
Once we understand that money is now the artificial creation of disreputable bankers, and subsequent debt on bank 'loans' is fraudulent; the obscenity of the 'austerity' program can be seen for what it is – a deliberate plan to create poverty, suffering, hurt, harm, slavery, and theft of legitimately owned assets from we, the ordinary people – those of us who are viewed by officialdom as 'parasitical' useless eaters who are 'destroying' their planet.


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