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 Post subject: Re: Farage vs Clegg
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 6:59 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Farage vs Clegg
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Nigel Farage summed up Clegg, and the whole of the Europhile career politicians of the LibLabCon, in this one straightforward statement where he said: “You are wilfully lying to the British people”. And Clegg had no answer to it.

Whether it be the EU; denial of a European army, navy, and air-force; global warming/climate change; the need for austerity; open-door immigration; banking crisis; Putin's supposed march into the Crimea; the Arab Spring; Assad's use of chemical weapons; the war in Afghanistan; the official rate of inflation: everything the career politicians of the LibLabCon have to say is a wilful lie to the British people.

Now their cover has been blown wide open the political elite will be in a rush; anxious to impose as much of their dastardly plans as they can before they can be stopped by an alternative government of the people. Even a deliberate crash of the UK economy is now a real risk in a kind of burnt-earth policy. These people are desperadoes who will stop at nothing. We can now expect every dirty trick possible to be played on Nigel Farage , UKIP, and anybody who dares to speak out against these traitors.


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 Post subject: Re: Farage vs Clegg
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MI5, Special Branch and others must be looking high & low for "dirt" on Nige & UKIP, they are determined to stop him & UKIP whatever the cost - there is too much at stake from their prospective.


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 Post subject: Re: Farage vs Clegg
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Kremmen wrote:
I just hope this is reflected next year. UKIP deserve to do really well and try to reverse the idiotic policies of the last 15 years or so


UKIP have no serious chance of gaining power in a UK general election. If they get a handful of MP's they will have done well.

I could be wrong of course and will buy everyone a pint and eat my hat but I am pretty certain of the outcome. People will not commit when it comes to the big question of who runs the Country and UKIP has no real policy other than let's get the **** out of Europe.

The best chance UKIP have got is to sweep the board at next Month's Euro elections. Give them all a bloody nose.

It will force ALL the mainstreams to commit to a referendum as soon as the next election is done and dusted. UKIP has the ability to split the vote and this seriously worries them..

The issue for the other three "main" parties is that they can't have any real policies while we remain in Europe, since much of the power has been handed over. Hence the largely trivial nature of Westminster politics.

This is why you cannot get a fag paper between any of them. The first one that commits to an open and honest referendum (in much the same way as the Scottish one is being run) with a pro and anti camp and lets the electorate make the decision will go on to run the Country. None of this lets try and renegotiate our position and accept the tit bits Merkel chucks us.

In or out the simple question, once it is settled we can all get on with the rest of our lives.

As for the debate last night..

I enjoyed the blunt way Farage took on the EU's role in the Ukraine crisis and his analysis of Syria was very similar to many posts I've read elsewhere on the Internet and chimes with my own analysis. Putin did play a blinder and he did stop the West attacking Syria. His comments about the Syrian rebels were spot on as well. The MSM have not been quite so upfront with the rebels position and some of the factions have been butchering Christians.
The EU made advances to the Ukraine Government "come and join our club" and while you are at it come join NATO too. All this is true and on the record. They are deliberately poking the Russian bear with a sharp stick, of course he is going to react. How would we react if Eire or France were to allow Russian troops and heavy equipment and armour to exercise close to our borders.

Good for Nigel Farage a stiff dose of speaking truth to power on prime time TV was long overdue. He's not going to be (and personally I wouldn't want him to be) PM, but if he can reshape the way politics is debated by ruthlessly exposing the double speak deployed by mainstream politics and media on the big issues he will have done a great public service.


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 Post subject: Re: Farage vs Clegg
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geezer466 wrote:
Good for Nigel Farage a stiff dose of speaking truth to power on prime time TV was long overdue. He's not going to be (and personally I wouldn't want him to be) PM,...
I'm not convinced that Nigel Farage and UKIP are fit to form a government - yet; but I am fully convinced that Miliband, Balls, Clegg, Cable, Cameron, Osborne, & Co, are most definitely unfit to be anywhere near government.

The truth is; it would take an awful lot more than a change of personnel and party politics to make any serious improvement in the way we are governed. The whole of the behind-the-scenes Establishment; the Civil Service, the justice system, the bankers and the City, big business, Common Purpose agents, the mainstream media, local authorities, police, NHS, in fact every aspect of public life is so corrupt that a mere change of political head is never going to make any improvement. Added to which, the very culture of Britain has been so thoroughly changed and corrupted for the worse that public opinion is nowhere near ready for the kind of change necessary to turn this nation around.

Last evening Clegg accused Nigel Farage of wanting to turn the clock back to another age. In many respects, before any real improvement can be made to life in Britain, the clock does need to be turned back. For a start, marriage must only be between one man and one woman. Unbridled ravenous monetary and materialist greed is another huge issue that has to be arrested and reversed. Unless some of the fundamental 'mistakes' of the last fifty years are reversed, then any tinkering with the UK's membership of EU is not going to have any lasting effect because the underlying essentials will not have changed. I agree that Nigel Farage is correct in seeing the danger that EU membership represents to Britain. BUT, and it is a huge BUT, there are enormous underlying problems in this country of ours, and the world at large, that politics simply cannot resolve because politics does not have the answer.


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 Post subject: Re: Farage vs Clegg
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I agree that Nigel can't form a government but he is surely in a position, or will be,to have a casting vote ?

I think Cameron/Tory have realised this and why they have made approaches to form a coalition.

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 Post subject: Re: Farage vs Clegg
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Kremmen wrote:
I agree that Nigel can't form a government but he is surely in a position, or will be,to have a casting vote ?

I think Cameron/Tory have realised this and why they have made approaches to form a coalition.
I sincerely hope that Nigel Farage will be in position to have a major influence over the next government; preferably in a majority position. But the almost faceless globalist elite are not going to give ground without doing everything possible within their power to prevent a real change of political direction – they would prefer to adopt a holding action until they are able to move 'forward' again. The globalists have invested too much time and money to give up now just as they can see their plans coming to fruition. We must not forget; the banksters and invisible dark forces are the real powers lords behind the political puppets of the LibLabCon, and while the Bank of England is in control of the money supply then the globalists will continue to call the shots. These people are waging war against us with weapons that most of us are unable to recognise - and if we were able to see what is going on - we would probably laugh at such 'nonsense'.


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 Post subject: Re: Farage vs Clegg
PostPosted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 5:11 pm 
''The truth is; it would take an awful lot more than a change of personnel and party politics to make any serious improvement in the way we are governed. The whole of the behind-the-scenes Establishment; the Civil Service, the justice system, the bankers and the City, big business, Common Purpose agents, the mainstream media, local authorities, police, NHS, in fact every aspect of public life is so corrupt that a mere change of political head is never going to make any improvement. Added to which, the very culture of Britain has been so thoroughly changed and corrupted for the worse that public opinion is nowhere near ready for the kind of change necessary to turn this nation around''


100% spot on, the miscreants mentioned above will up the ante indefinitely as well while they can get away with it, only a critical mass of people who think like most of the posters here would be game changing.


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geezer466 wrote:
UKIP have no serious chance of gaining power in a UK general election.

In a hung parliament, just one seat could be enough to give you power!


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 Post subject: Re: Farage vs Clegg
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That's how I feel as well. I just hope UKIP get enough votes/seats to make a difference.

My one fear is that UKIP at the moment has only one face and if that face is removed....................

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