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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:59 am 
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Maybe the Greek debt situation isn't all bad news. Could the debt crisis hasten the end of the green nonsense? Those solar panels could soon be a major disadvantage placing considerable downward pressure on the the selling price of a property.

http://www.energytribune.com/articles.c ... -Subsidies
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If the debt crisis is a tragedy for the people of Greece, the EUs bailout attempts look increasingly comedic. A second bailout, worth €130 billion ($171 billion), is currently under negotiation to enable Greece to stump up €14.5 billion ($19.1 billion) by the March 20 deadline to avoid defaulting on its bond repayments.
But bailout or not, the level of exposure of leading Western economies to Greece’s debt suggests that a raft of government subsidy cuts, especially for renewable energy, will not be the last.
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Greek debt: Who’s exposed?
Greece’s own banks hold a total of $62.8 billion of the country’s debt. According to the Bank for International Settlements, however, the financial exposure of other countries to Greece’s debt varies significantly. Among those EU states perhaps least able to bear it currently, Italy’s exposure stands at $1.87 billion, Belgium’s $1.9 billion and Spain’s $462 million. Though Switzerland is not in the EU, it too has a government debt exposure to Greece of $571 million. Outside Europe, the U.S. Government has an exposure level of around $2.32 billion. But debt exposure cranks up massively when it comes to the EU’s leading economies. The UK’s Greek debt exposure is running at $3.25 billion. While the UK is not a member of the Eurozone 17, however, France and Germany are; and their exposures total a staggering $10.69 billion and $12.41 billion, respectively. It is not difficult to see why France and Germany are pressing the Athens Government, at time of writing, to accept even more severe austerity measures than those that led to street riots in 2011.
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The financial profligacy of Europe’s southern socialist states with their high maintenance subsidy regimes, have particularly brought state-backed renewable energy economics into sharper focus. Quite simply, feed-in tariffs and other complex systems of green taxes that have kept the public in the dark concerning the true cost of the ‘green revolution’ are becoming harder to hide.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:32 am 
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At last, a cloud with a silver lining.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:36 am 
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Maybe another reason why they choose to continually prop up the Greeks. The EU who after all favour the so called green technology are desperate for their grand plan to continue.

Let's have a quick look at the Greek Bailout part two.

1. Papademos was installed by the EU, (under the direction of Merkozy. He was not the choice of the Greek people, Democracy has been over ruled.

2. The EU looked for (and didn't get) postponement of the Greek elections due this April/May. They knew themselves this would be a step to far in today's current framework so settled for a permanent troika to oversee (with a veto) all Government spending in Athens.

3. The bailout will be paid into an Escrow type account and will be used to payout the bank debts owed across Europe before any Greeks see anything of the money (they will in effect see none of it despite a decade probably two of grinding austerity). The bailout was simply to avoid a (Greek Default) CDS insurance event which would have tipped French and German banks into insolvency.

The Greeks have been well and truly shafted and yes whilst there are huge problems within the fiscal confines of the Country they should be cut loose and be allowed to find their own way. The fact they owe all this money to French and German banks means the decisions are being taken in the interests of the bankers (I refer you back to the appointment of Papdemos a Bankers stooge) and not the Greek people. After all look at Iceland they have ridden out the worst now and are on the way back up.

For the Green agenda we need look no further than how close some of these Companies are to Ministers (across the whole of Europe) to explain the taxpayer funded subsidies.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:04 pm 
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Maybe another reason why they choose to continually prop up the Greeks. The EU who after all favour the so called green technology are desperate for their grand plan to continue.
The big question is: What is the ultimate aim of the plan? I suggest it is the end of the independent national state as part of the coming one-world-government. To that end, the Greek affair is working perfectly. Years of EU enforced austerity will effectively kill off what was once Greece.

Any self-respecting Greek today who isn't looking to migrate from Greece is probably either too old or too sick to leave. Maybe many of them will be attracted to the UK to live off our comfy state benefits system, where even the old and the sick would be accepted. That too would be part of the overall EU plan to destroy the UK with even more unaffordable national debt. In the mean time, the obliging europhile UK Government continues to load up the national debt with ridiculous feed-in-tariffs.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:57 pm 
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The next pinch point is the Greek elections although I am not convinced they will be held as soon as April/May.

Let us not forget that Hitler was elected by the German people in 1933 partly on the backlash of the austerity caused by the Versailles Treaty and of course the Weimar republic. We all know how well that ended. While of course I do not anticipate Greece going the same way as the pre war Nazi's there will be a backlash against the sitting Government and a rally towards anti EU party(s). If one of these gets into any sort of power then all bets are off, they will tell Merkozy where to get off.


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PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 11:48 pm 
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The next pinch point is the Greek elections although I am not convinced they will be held as soon as April/May.

Let us not forget that Hitler was elected by the German people in 1933 partly on the backlash of the austerity caused by the Versailles Treaty and of course the Weimar republic. We all know how well that ended. While of course I do not anticipate Greece going the same way as the pre war Nazi's there will be a backlash against the sitting Government and a rally towards anti EU party(s). If one of these gets into any sort of power then all bets are off, they will tell Merkozy where to get off.
Another takeover by the Greek army is a possibility.

The general elections results in the minor parties gaining power. Greece leaves the Euro. Hyperinflation results in acute political unrest between the Left and Right. The army steps in to restore order.

Where would that leave Greece? No longer a friend of the EU where does Greece turn to for support? There are plenty of military powers at the Greek end of the Mediterranean; as there is also a lot of political unrest in the same region.

What would happen to Cyprus, half of which is half under Turkish control, if Greece were to leave the EU? Would the removal of Greece from the EU be followed by Cyprus? Almost inevitable I think.

Would Turkey make overtures to a militarised Greece?

Could the EU rapidly find itself with less influence at the eastern end of the Mediterranean?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2012 10:21 pm 
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So who are the winners then. we hear the Banks are in soapy with industry at an almost standstill Governments the world over borrow, borrow, borrow, the EU experiment doomed to failure, the immigration into Britain we cant sustain, yet we are told its essential to our economy, its all rob Peter to pay Paul, simple economics if you have losers then you must have winners, so how come everybody is a loser, cant help thinking we have been suckered, but still no apparent winners, one thing stands out, Banks lose money and still pay a bonus. they have the answers to no known questions, one thing certain I don't trust any of the mainstream three parties, :cry: :cry: :cry:

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:44 am 
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So who are the winners then. we hear the Banks are in soapy with industry at an almost standstill Governments the world over borrow, borrow, borrow, the EU experiment doomed to failure, the immigration into Britain we cant sustain, yet we are told its essential to our economy, its all rob Peter to pay Paul, simple economics if you have losers then you must have winners, so how come everybody is a loser, cant help thinking we have been suckered, but still no apparent winners, one thing stands out, Banks lose money and still pay a bonus. they have the answers to no known questions, one thing certain I don't trust any of the mainstream three parties, :cry: :cry: :cry:
Who are the winners? Good question Jim.

We are up against a system, a complex system. Even those who are working for the system don't necessarily know or understand what they are working towards. The majority of those in the system consists of deceived 'workers', as in sacrificial 'pawns'. Few, if any of the pawns fully understand what it is they are aiming at. The majority of pawns probably believe they are working towards constructing a utopia. Most, if not all the pawns will actually be considered by the hidden elite of the 'system' to be expendable 'useless idiots'. At the top of the 'system' there will be the 'brains' of the system, the untouchables; this hidden elite are working at directing events aimed at a unified one-world system of global governance. This hidden elite don't care how much pain, suffering, or inconvenience they cause we ordinary folk. Neither do they care how much damage they inflict on us or the world; they relentlessly keep on working towards their goal. To them, “The end justifies the means”.

The ultimate one-world system will have to have a leader. At some time, when the conditions are right, the elite will willing handover all power to a global master. This is where it gets more difficult to accept, especially for those who reject any idea of spirituality and Bible teachings. The final global master of the human worldly system will become possessed by the Devil himself; also known as the 'red dragon'. This 'red dragon' possessed man will have power over the earth for a seven year period, a time referred to as The Great Tribulation. At the end of the seven year period of the Great Tribulation...

There are visible clues as to where we are heading for those who know what to look for. The big clue is the nation of Israel. This small, almost insignificant nation, has reappeared as it were out of nowhere after thousands of years. Almost the whole world is opposed to Israel. Some even boast about wiping Israel off the map; some have already tried, to their cost, and yet Israel, against all the odds remains a thorn in the side of most of the world. People sometimes ask for proof that the Bible is accurate; the proof is Israel's existence against all the odds, and foretold within the Bible.

...And after the Great Tribulation, Israel has a great future.


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The thing is:- if all the money in the world ends up in one place, it becomes worthless! no future in that for anybody, if we go back to barter, then paying for goods or services will become impossible, a monetary system is essential in today's world, as money is power, must aggravate Israel no end the main source of revenue is no longer Gold, but oil, then what! once the oil runs out? maybe a world shortage of sand. Any new world order is doomed to failure, by the very fact that built into the psyke of humans is greed, a greed for power, and control, the same driving force that you suggest with the new world order, so back to the age old question, what happens when an irresistible force crashes into immovable object? :) :)

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2012 12:35 pm 
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The thing is:- if all the money in the world ends up in one place, it becomes worthless! no future in that for anybody, if we go back to barter, then paying for goods or services will become impossible, a monetary system is essential in today's world
Money in a fiat system is worthless. It is only a printed promise; a promise made by dishonest deceitful men.

The real gain for the behind-the sceners is absolute POWER over others; and control of essential TANGIBLE ASSETS. We ordinary folk neither have power, nor are we permitted anywhere near valuable TANGIBLE ASSETS.


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