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Extremists will have to get posts on Facebook and Twitter approved in advance by the police under sweeping rules planned by the Conservatives.
They will also be barred from speaking at public events if they represent a threat to “the functioning of democracy”, under the new Extremist Disruption Orders.
Theresa May, the Home Secretary, will lay out plans to allow judges to ban people from broadcasting or protesting in certain places, as well as associating with specific people.
The plans — to be brought in if the Conservatives win the election in May — are part of a wide-ranging set of rules to strengthen the Government’s counter-terrorism strategy.

The Home Secretary will also introduce “banning orders” for extremist groups, which would make it a criminal offence to be a member of or raise funds for a group that spreads or promotes hatred. The maximum sentence could be up to 10 years in prison.

Exactly the same thoughts occurred to me Westonman. Bear in mind too th abuse heaped on some people here in previous years simply because they wanted to voice opinions about the local changes taking place because of Tony Blair's open doors immigration policy. Labour activists even reported the site to the police.

As it happens, far, far more strident views are nowadays expressed on the free-for-all that is Facebook. Shows what a model of responsible moderation this site has been over the years by comparison.

Extremists will have to get posts on Facebook and Twitter approved in advance by the police under sweeping rules planned by the Conservatives.

Author:	Westonman [ Tue Sep 30, 2014 10:53 pm ]
Post subject:	Extremist & hate crime: Are you innocent - or guilty?
Too many laws have 'unintended consequences'. The plans by the Conservative Party outlined in the DT article below have all the potential to have far-reaching consequences – that may not be unintended. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... olice.html Quote: Extremists will have to get posts on Facebook and Twitter approved in advance by the police under sweeping rules planned by the Conservatives. They will also be barred from speaking at public events if they represent a threat to “the functioning of democracy”, under the new Extremist Disruption Orders. Theresa May, the Home Secretary, will lay out plans to allow judges to ban people from broadcasting or protesting in certain places, as well as associating with specific people. The plans — to be brought in if the Conservatives win the election in May — are part of a wide-ranging set of rules to strengthen the Government’s counter-terrorism strategy. Quote: The Home Secretary will also introduce “banning orders” for extremist groups, which would make it a criminal offence to be a member of or raise funds for a group that spreads or promotes hatred. The maximum sentence could be up to 10 years in prison. At first glance the above may seem quite reasonable – the kind of plans that we have been conditioned to be calling for. BUT, we can rest assured that “extremist” and “hate crime” will have a far wider definitions than we would expect. Any one of us can too readily find ourselves labelled as “extremist”, or guilty of a “hate crime” if the authorities consider us a “threat”. Can any of us rest assured that our opinions and beliefs do not constitute a hate crime, or extremism? Going by the derogatory remarks that Boris Johnson and Ken Clarke have made this week about UKIP supporters, any one of us who publicly disagrees with the LibLabCon could easily find themselves guilty of "extremism" and a "hate crime". From Ken Clarke: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... larke.html From Boris Johnson: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/bo ... rs-4348650

Author:	Jon [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 1:22 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Extremist & hate crime: Are you innocent - or guilty?
Exactly the same thoughts occurred to me Westonman. Bear in mind too th abuse heaped on some people here in previous years simply because they wanted to voice opinions about the local changes taking place because of Tony Blair's open doors immigration policy. Labour activists even reported the site to the police. As it happens, far, far more strident views are nowadays expressed on the free-for-all that is Facebook. Shows what a model of responsible moderation this site has been over the years by comparison.

Author:	Kremmen [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 7:34 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Extremist & hate crime: Are you innocent - or guilty?
Jon wrote: Exactly the same thoughts occurred to me Westonman. Bear in mind too th abuse heaped on some people here in previous years simply because they wanted to voice opinions about the local changes taking place because of Tony Blair's open doors immigration policy. Labour activists even reported the site to the police. As it happens, far, far more strident views are nowadays expressed on the free-for-all that is Facebook. Shows what a model of responsible moderation this site has been over the years by comparison. Doesn't that just show that the 'Labour activists' are snooping, without posting, as they have no argument against the truth and peoples feelings and apparently seem quite happy that they opened the floodgates. I have to assume that the activists are people who used to post here. Maybe they would like to put us all straight on their view of the resultant cultural % of Hayes residents including those living in houses/sheds/down by the canal.

Author:	geezer466 [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 9:16 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Extremist & hate crime: Are you innocent - or guilty?
Another set of rules that will be subject to slide.. Who gets to decide what extremism is? Remember the Tory shadow police minister who had his office searched and was arrested because he was briefing journalists in a way which was negative to Labour? None of them even UKIP (should it ever be lucky enough to achieve power) deserve powers such as these. We need answers and a solution but it is not down this road. Of course if we have never let them in these huge numbers without properly vetting or checking them in the first place the problem might not now be so large. OMG did I just say that? I must be racist!!

Author:	Kremmen [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 10:14 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Extremist & hate crime: Are you innocent - or guilty?
Nope, you are just posting what we all feel

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Author:	Westonman [ Wed Oct 01, 2014 11:38 am ]
Post subject:	Re: Extremist & hate crime: Are you innocent - or guilty?
Let's look at this DT report a bit more closely. This first line from my first quote above states: Quote: Extremists will have to get posts on Facebook and Twitter approved in advance by the police under sweeping rules planned by the Conservatives. The first issue here is the mention of “extremist”; it is totally undefined – and it will remain totally undefined because it is a very convenient catch-all open definition. Now I know that certain people and organisations are considered by the political class to be “extremists”, people and organisations that until recently would have been considered to be the backbone of our once Christian-based society. I am also aware that there are forces at work to ban certain teaching from the Holy Bible by labelling Bible teachers that teach the whole Bible as “extremists”. The same threat of “extremism” hangs over the heads of any political view that does not coincide with the politically correct view of the world – such as the man-made global warming/climate change pack of lies. Climate change “DENIERS” are currently openly denigrated by the political class and regarded as a serious threat to the established political dogma. The same threat hangs over anybody who disagrees with the open-door policy of immigration, or disagrees with the UK being part of the undemocratic EU. As we have learned from Boris Johnson and Ken Clarke this week, anybody who agrees with or supports UKIP could be labelled an “extremist. Anyone who makes a stand against the relentless march of “feminism”, or against the constant lowing of moral standards could very readily find themselves locked up for 10 years as “extremists” practising “hate crimes”. In this first line of the my first quote from the DT the next factor to be considered is the mention of “Facebook and Twitter”. These are a part of the modern social media where anybody who wishes, can express their opinions. So “Facebook and Twitter”, should be read as 'ANY SOCIAL MEDIA', 'FORUM' or 'PUBLIC EXPRESSION'. The DT quote goes on to say that “Extremists will have to get posts on Facebook and Twitter approved in advance by the police...”. Which means that anyone considered by the political class to be an “extremist” (and that means just about all of us), MUST first get any planned public statement approved by the police. If the Conservatives get their way, then any of us who disagrees in any way with the opinions and policies of the likes of Mrs May, the Conservative Party, and their political elite, and wishes to express such a disagreement, then we will have to first seek approval by submitting any 'contentious opinion' or planned public statement to the police for approval. This really means we have become a police state to a degree that East Germany and the Stasis would have been envious of. A Sunday School teacher will have to submit all planned lessons to the police; all authors; all comedians; all church preachers, all political parties; day school teachers; youth club leaders; all local councillors; all newspapers journalists; all radio and TV broadcasts: in fact, anybody or organisation intending to make any kind of public statement will have to first seek police approval before saying anything in public. The undefined and wide open use of the words “extremist” and “hate crime” by the political class is a deliberate attempt to destroy all aspects of free-speech in order to control everything we do, think, and say. This latest proposal by Mrs May and the Conservative Party is a powerful indication of the kind of people we have in politics and government these days. Sadly, the Lib Dems and Labour are just as nasty as the Conservative Party.

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