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| Author: | Westonman [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:10 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Where is the recoil? |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1e9VucS83k |
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| Author: | rexy [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 3:59 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Where is the recoil? |
I can see a cloud of dust either it went thru him or it missed him. |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 9:28 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Where is the recoil? |
I'm not seeking to cause any unnecessary offence to anybody in posting this video. If I have caused offence then I sincerely apologise. However; I believe that recent events have raised some very serious questions. Rexy, I agree with you about there being no dust resulting from a bullet striking the pavement; neither is there any visible damage to the pavement. The trajectory of the smoke from the gun barrel suggests that there should be a corresponding impact evidence on the ground to the right of the victim. If as Rexy suggests, the shot may have gone through the victim, then should we expect to see some serious physical evidence on the victim? As I understand it, an AK47 packs a heavy punch at close range; should we therefore expect to see the victim's body move in response to the striking bullet? Media reports claim the the victim was shot in the head at close range. I don't want to be ghoulish, but I would expect to see serious physical damage to a human head if shot at close range from an AK47 – am I wrong? |
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| Author: | rexy [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Where is the recoil? |
I am saying I DO see a cloud of dust as the shooter was running, it appears to me a little past and above the victims head as if the shooter missed him. |
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| Author: | Robongar [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:12 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Where is the recoil? |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:31 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Where is the recoil? |
Sorry for misunderstanding you Rexy. I do agree with you; and the puff of 'dust' is about a foot to the right of the victims head. If the shot did not miss, and went through the head of the victim, should we expect to see a reactive movement in the body of the victim as it is struck, together with clear damage to the head? As you say, there is some 'dust' kicked up from a 'round' striking the pavement; if that round had passed through the head of the victim and still had sufficient energy to produce impact dust, should we expect to see impact damage to the head as the bullet struck and exited the victim's head before striking the pavement? If the shot missed the victim and struck only the pavement, would an AK47 round striking the pavement at that kind of range leave significant damage to the pavement that would be visible in the video? Would a blank round have discharged debris that appears as 'dust' striking the pavement? |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Sat Jan 10, 2015 11:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Where is the recoil? |
Perhaps Geezer with his military background has some insights to offer us. |
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| Author: | SOT [ Sun Jan 11, 2015 1:45 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Where is the recoil? |
For God's sake - now everyone is a ballistic expert!  Some people believe 9/11 and 7/7 were fake, and now this one too?? Please, for God's sake, lets have some common sense here Most of the info out in the public domain has been put there by the media, often by sourcing social media such as the views expressed on this site by people less than competent at interpreting the 'facts' as they see them. I am sick of the impatience and paranoia expressed by those who believe this type of shit posted by anonymous sources and am happy to wait for the results of a proper measured investigation by people who know what they are talking about - No offence intended I know I will face a barrage of 'you are naive if you believe what you are told by the authorities' etc etc. Perhaps I am, but I'd rather be naive than gullible enough to believe any Tom Dick or Ahmed who posts, blogs or tweets any old nonsense onto social media |
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| Author: | Kremmen [ Sun Jan 11, 2015 9:29 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Where is the recoil? |
I remember some years ago seeing a clip of a German officers WW2 shot where a gent of Chinese/Japanese/Vietnamese appearance got shot thorough the head from point blank range from the side as he was kneeling. You could see the almost instantaneous flow of blood coming from the opposite side of the head, like you do on these made up film sequences. Not the film 'wall splattered' job but a small mini explosion. The notion about the impact causing sudden movement has been shown to be false in most instances including the one I mentioned. |
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| Author: | Westonman [ Sun Jan 11, 2015 12:36 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Where is the recoil? |
SOT wrote: For God's sake - now everyone is a ballistic expert! No barrage of abuse directed at you SOT, nor is it intended. And we are not believing every Tom, Dick or Ahmed either. Some people believe 9/11 and 7/7 were fake, and now this one too?? Please, for God's sake, lets have some common sense here Most of the info out in the public domain has been put there by the media, often by sourcing social media such as the views expressed on this site by people less than competent at interpreting the 'facts' as they see them. I am sick of the impatience and paranoia expressed by those who believe this type of shit posted by anonymous sources and am happy to wait for the results of a proper measured investigation by people who know what they are talking about - No offence intended I know I will face a barrage of 'you are naive if you believe what you are told by the authorities' etc etc. Perhaps I am, but I'd rather be naive than gullible enough to believe any Tom Dick or Ahmed who posts, blogs or tweets any old nonsense onto social media BUT, it is big BUT; we do know that the authorities do lie to us. We have been consistently lied to over decades by the political class and the mainstream media about the Common Market not being a political enterprise – we now know for certain that from the very beginning of the CM project that political union ALWAYS was the goal. Political and media deceit and lies surrounds everything to do with the EU – and continues to do so. We have been persistently lied to by the political class, and the media, about the supposed man-made global warming/climate change myth – and still they all persist with their lies. On this subject we have also seen a stash of emails from East Anglia University revealing the corruption and blatant lies that have been used to support the nonsense of man-made global warming. And the political class and their media friends continue as if nothing had been revealed. The 9/11 destruction of the WTC towers still has so many unanswered questions hanging over it. Not least, the fact that the BBC reported on the day, the collapse of one of the towers about 20 minutes BEFORE it collapsed, and while the tower could still seen be standing behind the BBC reporter's head. We now know that Blair and Labour deliberately took us into an illegal war in Iraq without there being any evidence of WMD being capable of striking Europe within 45 minutes. The whole thing was a pack of lies from beginning to end. Since entering Downing Street Cameron and Clegg have diligently followed in the lies, myths, and deceit practiced by Blair Brown & Co. and continued the path to war all over North Africa and the Middle East. We could go on and on recalling the lies and deception that the LibLabCon and their mainstream media colleagues have perpetrated against us. Now the fact remains that liars tell lies because it is the nature of liars is to tell lies. We have been told some enormous lies, and the lies continue to be propagated against us by the mainstream media and the political class. So, our default position ought to be to question and dissect every piece of news in order to try and get to the truth; especially news that could be having profound impacts on our freedoms. You suggest that we on here consider ourselves to be ballistic experts now – that is not true, and it is not fair. No allegations have been made; only questions have been posed as to the integrity of the 'news reports' the whole of the united mainstream media is presenting – a mainstream media that has sided with inaccurate reports in the past. As to our assuming to be ballistic experts; it is the political experts, people whose primary educational qualifications too frequently major on a degree in Politics, Philosophy, and Economics (PPE) and in the case of many others (including Osborne), a History degree; who are the political people who assume to be sufficiently qualified to speak on man-made global warming/climate change and other science-based topics, and they expect us to believe them – even though all their economic predictions and forecasts eventually turn out to be grossly inaccurate. All too often the political class tell us such and such “is the right thing to do”, even though the majority of them have virtually no experience of life in the real world. On the other hand, some of we lesser folk may hold engineering qualifications; whilst these may not be in the arena of ballistics, we can make assessments as to the energy involved in a projectile of a given mass travelling at close to muzzle velocity (and the associated shockwave leading and trailing the bullet)– and the damage it may produce when striking a very short ranged object . After all, these ought to be within the understanding of students of A level physics and maths. So, we ask the questions and try and make sense of what the mainstream media and the political class presents to us. We know they lie to us - and we only want to get to the truth. And getting to the truth in an election year ought to be in the interests of all of us. |
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