Excellent posts again Westonman

Problem, Reaction, Solution is the phrase that comes to mind.

It's a shame David Icke is a bit eccentric and therefore not taken too seriously by most folk because he addresses this issue quite well in some ways.

1/ PROBLEM......The 'government' ( it could be any government ) creates a Problem.

Ie: recession/credit crunch/mass immigration/unemployment/weapons of mass destruction/terrorist threat/global warming/climate change.......the list is endless.

2/ REACTION.....The public (thats us ), then say "something must be done about this"

3/ SOLUTION.....The government then implement draconian measures in response to the publics outcry to the deliberately engineered 'problems', because that's apparently what we demanded ?

The end result is the position we now find ourselves in, and I suspect it will become a lot worse. Lets not kid ourselves, the UK is pretty much already a 'police state'. When was the last time you went anywhere without having your every move monitored and tracked ?

The minute you turn on your mobile phone your location is known to within a few metres. Every time you use your computer, every click on the mouse is monitored and stored. Every time you use a debit or credit card the information is again monitored and stored by a whole host of agencies and companies, who then sell your details on to other agencies. Unless you live in a bubble you are monitored by one of the worlds most extensive cctv networks, but has it reduced the crime rates ?

The right to peaceful and lawful protest has been seriously curtailed in recent years, with the police 'service' resorting to ever more aggressive tactics. Kettling for example.....can anyone explain the logic of that to me ?

I could go on, but have probably said too much already.

Moley, I agree with you about David Icke's eccentricty, it really does undermine the more accurate opinions he has on serious matters.

Your are absolutely correct with your 'Problem' – 'Reaction' – 'Solution' assessment. It is the paradigm shift routine, where the political elite and the media bring us all to a supposedly common consensus on an issue where we would naturally disagree with the final 'solution'.

In the past I have attended 'management training' courses where certain techniques are employed to bring everybody on the course to a one-mind agreement, or consensus.

If you are interested, look up the Delphi Technique. Once the technique is understood, the process can be readily recognised for what it is – a psychological programming technique, and one that is very widely employed against us in group and class situations. Once understood, it is relatively easy to recognise people who have been subjected to the technique. The majority of 'experts' and media commentators give every sign of having been programmed to the common purpose and politically correct consensus. One result of the programming technique is; the re-programmed people tend to become low empathy people who are completely blinkered to the opinions and morals of ordinary and natural folk. MPs frequently demonstrate these characteristics.

Some years ago, when attending one particular 'management training' course, I quickly recognised the course leader was using the Delphi Technique against the whole class. So I stood up and explained to the course leader and the class the technique the leader was employing to bring us all to a common purpose. The course leader became very angry and abusive. Fortunately the majority of the class came round to my opinion and saw that I was correct in my assessment of the technique that was being employed against us – and the majority of the class eventually broke out into applause for my explanation. The course leader subsequently apologised and changed her whole presentation into a lecture that didn't require class attendees' feedback and interaction – which became more like a 'take-it-or leave' presentaion.

Moley, a word of advice, get your bags and passport packed and make for the nearest airport, they're coming for you!

........ with a one-size-fits-all orange boiler suit!!!!!

I've been on many 'training courses' were the speaker will ask if anyone disagrees. No one wants to be singled out so there's a deathly hush. Unfortunately, like you, they forget that I'm there and if I disagree I tell them. Unlike your experience I've often been praised for speaking up because the incorrect view was tabled deliberately - yeah right !

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The abuse I was subjected to on that one occasion was to be singled out as an out-cast, one who was unteachable. The course leader would say such things as, “Mr X would not agree with us, but...”. This was clearly an attempt by the 'leader' to join herself to the bulk of the group, and victimise me as an outsider in the process. This is classic Delphi Technique at work; you either fall-in-line with the planned mind-set change, or you suffer separation from the group and your peers. The process is similar to that once commonly practiced by trade unions; where the choice was, comply and follow the crowd, or face exclusion by being sent to Coventry.

Here is another story that represents a developing police state. A father is jailed by a secret court for sending his son a 21st birthday greeting via Facebook:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... g-him.html

Any Facebook subscribers out there should take note. You comments, however innocent, are being observed and noted by the 'authorities'.

The whole point about developing a plummy middle class accent is to lie for personal benefit. Look at the BBC, estate agents, the City, politicians, doctors. It is to cover up their failings and to imbue 'confidence' that they know what they are talking about. That is where the term 'confidence tricksters' comes from. If you hear it and they are trying to involve you in something, run a mile. Snake oil salesmen.

I have noticed down the years there is an inverse correlation between the gravity with which a BBC presenter talks and the degree to which he is either lying or doesn't know but is pretending.I've now extrapolated that to include apparent 'confidence' having seen many shysters in the world of work climb the greasy pole. Confidence and gravity, keep a watch out for them. They are key tools of the trade. And once you see it, they're everywhere.

Here is an example... How was this chap able to land a job paying £1000 a day in the public sector? Snakeoil that's how..
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£250k per year @ 32.... and in the public sector..No wonder this Country is going down the tubes. How much does Cameron get?

They can do what they like Rich Kid. I would probably be looked after far better in a prison cell than I am on the outside trying to survive on £71 pw ESA. Not so sure about the orange suit though, it's not my colour