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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 10:11 am 
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What kind of hate-filled psychopath thinks up this stuff?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -tank.html
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Labour’s favourite think-tank has declared a new war on the motorist with draconian Big Brother pay-as-you-drive tax plans to force middle class drivers to pay more per mile to drive their cars than poorer ones.
Spy-in-the-cab black box technology would be used to track each car’s mileage by GPS satellite and to calculate the tax charge every time the driver fills up at the garage to encourage ‘behaviour change.’
It says the Government’s Driver and Vehicle Licencing Agency (DVLA) should be linked to HM Revenue and Customs records so that drivers could be charged automatically according to their income level – with wealthier motorists paying more.

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In is preface and acknowledgements, Mr Rowney author thanks Labour political rising star Will Straw, son of former Labour Cabinet minister Jack Straw, noting: ’Special gratitude is reserved for Will Straw for his support, guidance and comments throughout the research and writing process.

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AA president Edmund King said: ‘This proposal is beyond Orwellian — monitoring people’s movements, telling them when they can and can’t drive. Who would want to live in a society like that?’


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 10:22 am 
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I nearly took this seriously till I noticed it was the excitable Daily Fail.

Can you see this really happening with the loss of Gov 'at the pump' fuel taxes?

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 2:44 pm 
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All timed nicely to fit in with the latest bit of EU law about to be rubber stamped by the elected representatives.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ology.html

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Every new car sold in Britain will have to have a ‘black box’ device fitted to track drivers’ movements from next year, under plans being imposed by the European Union.

Despite serious concerns about privacy and cost, UK ministers admit they are powerless to stop the Big Brother technology being forced on motorists and car makers.

The Government believes the gadget, designed to help emergency services find crashed vehicles, will add at least £100 to the cost of vehicles without providing significant safety improvements.


And the nice explanation from Europe High Command..

http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/e ... ives-saved

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In case of a crash, an eCall-equipped car automatically calls the nearest emergency centre. Even if no passenger is able to speak, e.g. due to injuries, a 'Minimum Set of Data' is sent, which includes the exact location of the crash site. Shortly after the accident, emergency services therefore know that there has been an accident, and where exactly.


I predict a seismic proportion Mission Creep once they get the legislation for this technology passed.

Just think DVLA already sell on registration details to thieving car park companies so they can extort cash from the timid. How long will they be able to resit the temptation before they sell on driving habits and areas to insurance firms or for automatic speeding tickets for straying 5mph over the limit.

For a politician the opportunity for tax revenue generation off the back of this is to good to miss.


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best vote a party that will remove us from Europe then - I am

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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 6:16 pm 
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Kremmen, this should be taken very seriously and we should be grateful we still have a free press to expose the way these people are thinking.... at the moment.


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 7:23 pm 
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My car already has this GPS tracking technology installed from new. In the event of an accident the system is supposedly programmed to inform the 'emergency services' of the precise location of the vehicle via the driver's mobile phone. I haven't linked my phone to the car's system, but that doesn't guarantee to me that the phone isn't linked without my knowledge. There is a button on the dash that any time it is pressed will indicate the vehicle's GPS location on the dash display. If the spy-in-the-car system isn't yet fully operational in line with EU proposals, it is one very small step to completing the nightmare system.

My car also has a voice operating system for control of the radio and sound system, which suggests that anything spoken inside the car is possibly being broadcast to the 'authorities' without my knowledge. I haven't activated this voice control system either, but again, I have no way of being sure that in-car conversations are not being overheard.

My car may not yet be spying on me, but it is a very, very small step to it becoming one; and without my knowledge. With everything electronic being software controlled these days, it would be simplicity itself for cars such as mine to be converted to a spy-in-the-car whenever Big Brother decrees. The activation code could be sent to the car via a radio signal any time – and I would never know it had happened.


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 9:15 pm 
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My car already has this GPS tracking technology installed from new. In the event of an accident the system is supposedly programmed to inform the 'emergency services' of the precise location of the vehicle via the driver's mobile phone. I haven't linked my phone to the car's system, but that doesn't guarantee to me that the phone isn't linked without my knowledge. There is a button on the dash that any time it is pressed will indicate the vehicle's GPS location on the dash display. If the spy-in-the-car system isn't yet fully operational in line with EU proposals, it is one very small step to completing the nightmare system.

My car also has a voice operating system for control of the radio and sound system, which suggests that anything spoken inside the car is possibly being broadcast to the 'authorities' without my knowledge. I haven't activated this voice control system either, but again, I have no way of being sure that in-car conversations are not being overheard.

My car may not yet be spying on me, but it is a very, very small step to it becoming one; and without my knowledge. With everything electronic being software controlled these days, it would be simplicity itself for cars such as mine to be converted to a spy-in-the-car whenever Big Brother decrees. The activation code could be sent to the car via a radio signal any time – and I would never know it had happened.


The blue-tooth option has to be tied into the users mobile phone to work properly anyway. If it is anything like mine it only works half the time anyway so bad is it I never use it. As for the voice activation you have to push a button and speak the command such as air conditioning on or wiper speed fast. I never saw the point as if you have to push the button on the stalk you might as well turn the switch which activates what you need.

Latest tech is clever smartphones who can navigate/call/text/search spoken commands direct to the phone waking it up with a keyword. This is a google system and I must say is very clever and very useful. Definitely makes my like a lot easier.

Google systems of course and you need a google email to make it work, yes you can keep that anonymous but google already has access to all your contacts, texts ect and GCHQ can listen to your telephone calls anytime it likes anyway.

The Country needs a big debate on whether the trade off of privacy against the benefits of all this tech are worth it.


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My car's bluetooth works a treat.


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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2014 11:56 pm 
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Google systems of course and you need a Google email to make it work, yes you can keep that anonymous but google already has access to all your contacts, texts etc and GCHQ can listen to your telephone calls anytime it likes anyway.

The Country needs a big debate on whether the trade off of privacy against the benefits of all this tech are worth it.


OK, I truly understand the anxiety, but do you really think GCHQ have enough staff and IT capability to listen to you and me chatting about football and the weather?

They have about 7,000 staff, and even if all of them were engaged in listening type jobs using sophisticated IT word recognition software, they'd more than have their work cut out over a 37hr week! Then there's the 1.9 billion text messages a month in the UK. Even with overtime, I am not sure what sort of a dent GCHQ staff would make.

I share the concerns about the UK's surveillance society, but in practical terms, I really dont think most of us have too much to worry about.


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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2014 11:32 am 
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Back to the DM article. The quote below from the DM is really the core of this news report. Labour's favourite think-tank, under the guidance of William Straw, is seriously advocating a policy of total monitoring and control of all private vehicle use. It is also suggesting a road charging scheme that amounts to punitive taxation of anybody whose income exceeds a government imposed threshold.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... -tank.html
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Labour’s favourite think-tank has declared a new war on the motorist with draconian Big Brother pay-as-you-drive tax plans to force middle class drivers to pay more per mile to drive their cars than poorer ones.
Spy-in-the-cab black box technology would be used to track each car’s mileage by GPS satellite and to calculate the tax charge every time the driver fills up at the garage to encourage ‘behaviour change.’
It says the Government’s Driver and Vehicle Licencing Agency (DVLA) should be linked to HM Revenue and Customs records so that drivers could be charged automatically according to their income level – with wealthier motorists paying more.
Drivers should also be charged a higher rate of tax for making ‘unnecessary’ short journeys that they could have made on foot or by bicycle, says the report by the left-of centre Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR).
The pay-as-you-drive tax rate should even be increased in summer when more daylight and warmer weather meant there was more incentive for people to leave the car behind and walk or cycle, it adds.

My second post on this thread was intended to point out just how close we already are to having private vehicles that are equipped to monitor our every movement without our knowledge. The technology is already being installed in some of our vehicles, and possibly only requires very minor changes to activate a full monitoring system of our vehicle usage.

ANPR cameras and traffic sensors are monitoring motorways and major roads now. ANPR cameras linked to the DVLA are automatically issuing fines for breach of speed limits, parking, box junction rules, etc. across the UK now. The London Congestion Charge system has been automatically charging motorists for about a dozen years. These vehicle tracking and charging systems are virtually automatic. In line with European law, we have arrived at the point where we are automatically considered guilty of an 'offence' on the decision of sensor-based computer systems – “innocent until proven guilty” has been reversed.

SOT may be right when he states that GCHQ only has about 7000 employees. But to suggest that a staffing level of about 7000 is too small a number to monitor the population is to misunderstand how the system operates. Sensor-gathered data of our movements is analysed by powerful computer systems, and when a predefined pattern emerges then the analysis is handed over to human agents for more personal attention of our movements and actions. Plus the fact that government does not truly care how much it costs to monitor and control us – the aim is to control us at all costs - the vast sums of money that successive UK governments willingly hand over to the EU evidences that cost is no barrier to government - after all, government costs means higher taxes, which equals tighter control of our shrinking freedoms.

In the DM article, Labour (William Straw) has been identified as the party having the desire to track, charge, and control our use of private transport. But most of us are now aware that apart from some trivial window dressing, there are no differences between the policies of Labour, Conservative, or Lib Dem parties; all three are totally dedicated and committed to burying the UK in the undemocratic EU against the wishes of the British people. All three LibLabCon parties are acting treasonably and deceitfully against us. If Labour deploy an income-based road charging scheme, the Conservatives and the Lib Dems will do nothing to prevent or reverse the nightmare.
The road charging scheme being suggested by William Straw and Labour's favourite think represents only one part of the automatic system to control us. Smart meters in our homes, the “internet of things”, the ever-wider application of biometrics, computerised medical records, purchasing habits; when linked together with a vehicle tracking system provides government with a powerful system to automatically control us.


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