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 Post subject: Re: Rolf Harris
PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2014 10:57 pm 
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As far as I understand, there is no evidence apart from the testimony of the women. My own opinion is Bindi's friend was a willing participant out for revenge. If things happened while she was under age that is clearly a serious offence warranting punishment but I don't buy her claims that she felt scared of him and disgusted for a nanosecond.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolf Harris
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 8:37 am 
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Marian wrote:
I saw that link somewhere else but the person who gave it warned that it was difficult reading and so maybe I am not the only one avoiding reading for the moment. Could I just ask, therefore, if there was evidence to support what is in the document or was the sentence based on the victim's word? (or even the handwritten letter). Thanks.


The document is a verbatim record of the judges summing up at the sentencing hearing.

Whilst it is quite graphic in many ways the judge only parrots what the witnesses have said in evidence in his remarks.

It is important to remember those witnesses have no other independent corroboration and it was simply Harris word against theirs with gaping holes in some of the evidence. One witness for example has Harris assaulting a 14 year old in 1974 in Cambridge whereas the video evidence produced by the prosecution shower Harris in that type of knock-out game show in 1978 whereas the witness should have been 18? The other Tonya Lee Harris was supposed to have assaulted in a bust pub whilst at a drinks get together for the cast of a show, even followed her to the ladies toilet and waited outside. Again you would think there was an independent account but there was none.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolf Harris
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 4:58 pm 
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A phrase I have often heard in these days of mass surveilance** ( sp ? ) is ... "If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear".

The problem I have with that is that the authorities seem to have a rather slapdash and shoddy approach to dealing with potentially vital information, especially when it may relate to the higher echelons. Losing, misplacing or destroying 114 documents is slack to say the least.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/201 ... ome-office


NB: **My apologies for not being able to spell the word correctly but you hopefully get my drift.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolf Harris
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:47 pm 
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Back in the 60's I worked for a while in the TV studio equipment business, where I witnessed the unnatural 'lovey' behaviour of some of the celebrities and studio staff. Even then it was very apparent that some of them assumed they had the right to sexual pleasures from whoever took their 'fancy'. On one occasion I was in a TV studio during a live event, the TV producer/director openly voiced his lust over the studio intercom system for a teenage female who was within camera shot. The openness with which this man described his lust was clearly a normal part of the TV team's behaviour – there was no sense of shock or shame from any of the TV production staff – no, this was appeared to me to be 'normal' behaviour.

The revelations concerning Jimmy Savile have exposed some of the 'culture' that existed in the show business and entertainment world during his time. I also suspect that very little has improved in that 'world' over the years. The dumbing down of entertainment over the years, and the constant drift towards more explicit sexualisation and violence in TV and film output from the media suggests that nothing has improved. The obsession that the whole of the modern media has with sex and perversion clearly indicates that there is something very wrong at the core of the media and entertainment world – even today.

However, I suspect that the celebrities being dragged before the courts for paedophilia and sex offences are part of a massive smoke-screen to divert public attention away from the perverted criminals in politics. That is not to say that celebrities are completely innocent – I don't believe that for one moment. But there are some very nasty smells coming from the 'world' of UK politics to suggest that paedophilia and perversion are active and influential at the core of UK politics – and have been for many years.

At one time adultery, infidelity, and homosexuality were used as tools to control through the threat of blackmail. But adultery, infidelity, fornication, and homosexuality, have now all been politically 'normalised'. Which possibly leaves paedophilia, necrophilia, and 'snuff films' as control mechanisms. Since the entertainment media are constantly desensitising us into accepting ever more degrading entertainment, maybe they are aiming to 'normalise' paedophilia and other obscenities. After all, there have been political calls to lower the age of consent to below 16.

Now to the political world. This report clearly suggests that something very underhand and nasty has been, or is, going on behind closed doors in the political world at the very heart of Government:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politic ... -lost.html

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The paedophile scandal engulfing Westminster deepened after the Home Office confessed to losing or destroying 114 “potentially relevant” files.
The lost files are part of an investigation into the handling of a dossier about child abuse allegations presented to Leon Brittan, the former home secretary.
The dossier, compiled by Geoffrey Dickens, the late Conservative MP, is said to implicate political figures at the heart of national life.
A review by the Home Office last year into its handling of the dossier found that information it had received between 1979 and 1999 had been passed to the appropriate authorities. But Mark Sedwill, permanent secretary to the Home Office, has now admitted for the first time that his department had destroyed, lost or simply “not found” 114 “potentially relevant files”
The "losing" or "destroying" of such files is totally unacceptable by any Government department, let alone The Home Office. The police should be sent in to follow the evidence to wherever and whomever it leads, and bring the whole affair into the open, and to court. We don't need any more dodgy inquires, we need proper justice to be administered.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolf Harris
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2014 10:20 pm 
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I don't understand all the "doubts" on here over Rolf Harris' behaviour and conviction. He was in my view a two-faced devious old perv who liked to abuse young girls using his celebrity status. He even wrote a letter apologising and asking for forgiveness for his disgusting behaviour. He showed no sign of remorse, nor did he in any way offer an apology in court to any of the girls - his arrogance was beyond belief. I think he thought he'd get away with it. Even the charade of turning up to court hand-in-hand with his wife and daughter was false, they arranged to meet down the road and make an appearance as though they were one big happy family. Harris was a total fraud and I hope his sentence is increased, 5 1/2 yrs is not enough for all the innocent childhoods he has stolen.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolf Harris
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His home town is removing all trace of his existence.

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 Post subject: Re: Rolf Harris
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I heard on the radio yesterday that now he has been convicted, quite a lot more people are saying that they also were assaulted by him.
They waited because they didn't want to be seen at the height of it as being headline grabbers but just adding themselves to the list now that justice has been served.

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 Post subject: Re: Rolf Harris
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:36 am 
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Kremmen wrote:
I heard on the radio yesterday that now he has been convicted, quite a lot more people are saying that they also were assaulted by him.
They waited because they didn't want to be seen at the height of it as being headline grabbers but just adding themselves to the list now that justice has been served.


Or a sniff of the £11 million has brought them out of the woodwork.

Vanessa Feltz alleged she sexually assaulted her on live TV whilst the TV camera's were running and in front of probably a dozen people in the studio who would have been observing the set.

Why was the footage not used at the trial? Why has no-one other than Feltz come forward from this incident to corroborate what occurred?

The media blitz regarding Saville has certainly influenced how people and has done it's work in the way they intended. They are now able to convict on the flimsiest of evidence.


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 Post subject: Re: Rolf Harris
PostPosted: Mon Jul 07, 2014 1:50 pm 
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This website puts is quite well. Everyone is being played and celebs like Harris are being sacrificed on the alter of public opinion and in the press purely in the interests of keeping the enquiries focused in one clear direction.

http://hat4uk.wordpress.com/2014/07/02/ ... e-enquiry/

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Clearly, a major turning point in the trial was when Harris was caught on camera at a sporting event for television in Cambridge – having earlier denied he was ever there: but the bloke is 84 years old, and the event was one visit on a whistle-stop tour 36 years ago. Can you remember what events you attended 36 years ago?

Some interviews recorded with celebrities who know Harris well, were I think telling: Cilla Black effectively called the verdict bollocks and thought the entire circus “is getting very political”. Ronnie Corbett said he was “very sorry to hear the verdict”, and Harvey Goldsmith called the trials “a mess and a witch-hunt”.

Contrast that one clip of film contradicting the memory of an old man with the lengthy video we are still not allowed to see of what is alleged to show Leon Brittan at Elm House during one of its many parties. Brittan has been suggested as the star of this little jolly four times by, variously, senior detectives on the enquiry, and this week by the Rochdale MP Danczuk. But still the Elm House enquiry goes nowhere….as it will of course continue to do as long as Boris the Redtop-Knobber is mayor of London, and the effective emperor of the next City State to rival Singapore.

Having made that alarming comparison, I’m sorry if this offends anyone, but we must leave our obsessions outside the the door and recognise that we are seeing two parallel events taking place here: one by the police and CPS who seem to care only about what they see as the link between paedophilia and celebrities (but which, under forensic examination, nearly always turns out to be the groping of teenage girls); and one enquiry about to blow the lid off a major, organised political involvement in genuine child trafficking for the purposes of real hard-core paedophiles.

Between octogenarian has beens and senior politicians, guess which ones are coming to trial and then going to prison? There are black ops in play here, and they concern a number of coincidental but nevertheless shared aims between the police, the media, and the political class: the Old Bailey verdict was one symptom of it – this is merely another.

The three main streams are the dirty fight for media dominance in the UK, the protection of Tory national politicians and local Labour politicians, and the increasing tendency of the police to (a) play to the mass gallery and (b) do only those things and prosecute only those cases that those in power want to succeed.
Article continues.

And this video quite long which details the allegations at Elm Guest House.



If you subscribe to the notion that all is not well with our Government and how the media report the news to their own agenda's and this would include the likes of Common Purpose and their courses to draw allegiance 'to the program' from those who rise to the top, then all I ask is to take one step back and consider everything for a moment.

Theresa May has been forced to the HOC today to make a statement regarding these rumours which are at the heart of Government...... For such historical allegations look how long it has taken us to get to this situation.

Something is clearly not right... Whilst I have little doubt that Harris was a 'sex pest' as many celebs which rise to his level of fame are, he does seem to at the very best the victim of circumstance in being prosecuted. As I have read on another forum. The trial was at Southwark so the jury would have been convened from the South London catchment area. Did anyone for a moment stop and check that ALL the jurors have a good command of spoken and written English?


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 Post subject: Re: Rolf Harris
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I think I read somewhere that the incident was mentioned at the trial but it was said that there hadn't been enough time to make full investigations.
It was also discussed on another forum a couple of years ago (will try to find the link) but no name was given as to who the person was. It all seems weird that something so serious could have happened on live T.V. and in a studio where even Alwen was present.

I posted this as the previous comment appeared and so refers to the post just above the last one.


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