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 Post subject: Double-Speaking Osborne
PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:46 pm 
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In the 2011 budget he promised that pension tax age allowances would be inflated in line with RPI for the duration of this parliament.

In the 2012 budget he freezes the allowance for existing pensioners in 2013; and any pensioner reaching the age of 65 AFTER April 2013 will not receive the allowance.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/pers ... qus_thread

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In the 2012 Budget last month George Osborne froze pensioners' tax-free allowance. But last year the Government promised that the age-related personal allowance would be increased in line with the retail prices index until at least 2015, campaigners have discovered.
"To ensure ... older people do not lose out, for the duration of this Parliament the annual increases in ... the age related allowance and other thresholds for older people will ... increase by the equivalent of the RPI," the 2011 Red Book, the official document detailing Budget measures, said on page 35.
The age-related allowance for those aged 65-74 currently stands at £9,940 but will rise to £10,500 when the new tax year starts on Friday. For pensioners 75 or over it will rise on Friday to £10,660 from £10,090.
However, under the changes announced in the Budget there will be no further rises. Mike Warburton of Grant Thornton, the accountancy firm, said the allowances would probably have risen by about 2.5pc next year, given that inflation was falling towards that figure. He said this would have saved pensioners about £52.20 a year in tax if they earned enough to benefit from the higher allowance.
In addition, the allowances will be scrapped altogether for anyone who has not reached their 65th birthday (or 75th for the higher allowance) by April next year.


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The promise in last year's Red Book was uncovered by the National Pensioners Convention (NPC), which has launched an online petition calling on the Government to keep the age-related allowance and restore the link to inflation. The petition, which will be considered for a parliamentary debate if it attracts 100,000 signatures, has been signed by more than 50,000 so far.
Dot Gibson, the NPC's general secretary, said: "Clearly George Osborne is guilty of double-dealing when it comes to the age-related tax allowances. He said one thing last year – and 12 months later he has completely ripped the whole thing up. No wonder pensioners are saying they can't trust the Government.


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But one former MP said there was no need for a petition in order to secure a Commons debate on the granny tax. In a letter to The Daily Telegraph, Lord Rooker, the former Labour MP Jeff Rooker, said: "When the late Audrey Wise, the then Tory backbencher Nigel Lawson and I carried our indexation amendments to the 1977 Finance Act we included the income tax age allowance.
"The simple effect is that the Chancellor must index the allowance each year, and if he does not want to do this he has to bring a parliamentary order to the Commons for approval or otherwise. The last time I checked, the requirement remained in law. So there is no hiding place for Members of the House of Commons."
I can't see that Osborne has any choice but to reverse his decision to freeze and scrap pensioner Age Allowance. This Government is giving all the signs that it is completely out of control, it doesn't even know what it said a year ago. Doesn't say much for expensive private education.


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The Government will simply avoid doing (or saying) anything until such time as the tide of public opinion is overwhelming.

At that point they will draft and emergency amendment to this 1977 bill and use their majority to change the law. It won't be popular but they will take the view what can the electorate do? Vote the other lot in? :lol: :lol:

They are all as bad as each other.


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geezer466 wrote:
The Government will simply avoid doing (or saying) anything until such time as the tide of public opinion is overwhelming.

At that point they will draft and emergency amendment to this 1977 bill and use their majority to change the law. It won't be popular but they will take the view what can the electorate do? Vote the other lot in? :lol: :lol:

They are all as bad as each other.
I don't know what Osborne will do. Political expediency may force his hand into some kind of U turn. On the other hand, this Government may take the view that there are not going to be any more elections, therefore public opinion is of no account.

But by his actions and words over the last two budgets Osborne has positively indicated that he is untrustworthy, ruthless, and dishonest. I cannot accept that when Osborne announced he was freezing and scrapping the pensioners' Age Allowance that he had forgotten his previous commitment to maintain the same allowance and inflate it in line with RPI. Neither can I accept that the other powerful people in the Treasury had forgotten Osborne's previous commitment. Now it is very clear why Osborne looked and sounded ashamed when he made this announcement at the end of his budget speech – he was fully aware of the treachery that he was engaging in.

This latest revelation is positive proof that this LibCon Government is every bit as deceitful and dishonest as Labour were. This Government has now shown itself to be brutally callous; as is also shown by their determination to force up the price of energy and fuel with green taxes – just as Labour did. This Government has shown itself to be totally committed to the greed of the rich globalist. By continuing the transfer of earnings from the poorer to the idle rich, Osborne & Co have declared their absolute allegiance to the globalist agenda. Osborne's actions and words have proven him to be a globalist first, and a loyal British Treasurer a distant last. This Government, just like the previous Labour one, is run by globalists, for the globalist elite.

When Gordon Brown scrapped the 10% tax band he KNEW what he was doing, and the effect it would have on the poorer earners. His mistake was to under-estimate the intelligence of the electorate. Now Osborne has shown himself to be from the same devious mould as Brown; and Osborne also under-estimates the intelligence of the British electorate - probably because he just does not care; possibly because the last election was the final one.

Now it must clear for all to see; Labour, Lib Dems, and CONservatives are all one and the same thing. The globalist one-world agenda ruthlessly continues unabated. Nothing is going to stop this monster.


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Westonman wrote:
Doesn't say much for expensive private education.


I think that's a bit unfair. It could just be that Osborne is happy to lie, not expecting to get caught out but probably not too bothered if he is anyway.


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Jon wrote:
Westonman wrote:
Doesn't say much for expensive private education.


I think that's a bit unfair. It could just be that Osborne is happy to lie, not expecting to get caught out but probably not too bothered if he is anyway.


The private education of the likes of The Bullingdon Club is not run of the mill private education. These people are are taught in such circles in expectation they will rise to the very top their respective fields. If they are educationally inadequate to achieve this by merit (and most are) then......kerrrrrrching.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bullingdon_club

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The Bullingdon Club is a socially exclusive student dining club at Oxford University. The club has no permanent rooms and is notorious for its members' wealth and destructive binges. [1] Membership is by invitation only, and prohibitively expensive for most, given the need to pay for the uniform, dinners and damages


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Jon wrote:
Westonman wrote:
Doesn't say much for expensive private education.


I think that's a bit unfair. It could just be that Osborne is happy to lie, not expecting to get caught out but probably not too bothered if he is anyway.
OK, I'm sorry. I was wrong to imply that private education in general, is suspect. I agree that most private education is superior to what the State can offer. To be honest, if I could have afforded it at the time I would have given my own children private education.

Perhaps I should have said that Osborne's behaviour is a bad advertisement for his brand of private education.


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geezer466 wrote:
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The Bullingdon Club is a socially exclusive student dining club at Oxford University. The club has no permanent rooms and is notorious for its members' wealth and destructive binges. [1] Membership is by invitation only, and prohibitively expensive for most, given the need to pay for the uniform, dinners and damages
That sounds very similar to membership of the Freemasons.


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Westonman wrote:
geezer466 wrote:
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The Bullingdon Club is a socially exclusive student dining club at Oxford University. The club has no permanent rooms and is notorious for its members' wealth and destructive binges. [1] Membership is by invitation only, and prohibitively expensive for most, given the need to pay for the uniform, dinners and damages
That sounds very similar to membership of the Freemasons.


The Funny Handshake Club are not in the habit of smashing up restaurants simply because they can and they have the funds to pay for repairs, no questions asked!!

The Freemasons are a very misunderstood organisation and do very much in the UK in the way of supporting charities.

I should point out that I am not a member, friends of mine however are.


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PostPosted: Wed Apr 04, 2012 10:31 am 
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The Funny Handshake Club are not in the habit of smashing up restaurants simply because they can and they have the funds to pay for repairs, no questions asked!!

I am not suggesting they are in the habit of smashing up property. But they are an invitation only organisation, they are more secretive than they like to make out they are, and they do have some very strange habits.


Some 20 odd years ago I was approached and invited to become a member. The invitation was a lengthy process that lasted about 4 hours. The 'inviter' spent a long time spelling out all the advantages. It was explained to me that the invitation was a once-in-a-life-time chance. I asked whether it was possible to leave the organisation if it turned out that I was not happy with it. The answer was a rather devious “people never want to leave”. I persisted with my question and eventually I was told: if you ever leave “we have ways of making life very difficult for you and your family”. And this was from a man who was supposed to have been a friend of my family.

I never had any intention of joining the Freemasons, but I did find the whole invitation experience extremely interesting. And to be told by a supposed friend that if I ever wanted to leave the organisation my life and that of my family would be made very difficult, I thought it was very enlightening.

As to “having funds to pay for repairs, no questions asked”; I believe that to be is true. But we are told that even the Devil can appear as an angel of light. There is also another popular saying; “He who pays the piper calls the tune”. And I don't fancy any organisation calling the tune over my life if I choose to part company with it.


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The Freemasons are a very misunderstood organisation and do very much in the UK in the way of supporting charities.
It is extremely difficult to understand any organisation that engages in secrecy, has some very strange habits, and offers not-so-veiled threats when asked about the consequences of leaving the organisation.

As for 'charity', that has become a nebulous term that can mean almost anything to anybody. There are dozens of organisations today enjoying the category of 'charity', whose actions have little to do with love and goodwill, and more to do with poverty and slavery. I am thinking primarily of all those “green” 'charities' whose main aim is to destroy what is left of our freedoms; those charities that have taken on an extreme political influence.


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can do more with less. (HA in other words... we the unwilling, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible, for the ungrateful, for so long we have done so much with so little that we can now do everything with nothing - think that sums that up) :o :o :lol:

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